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@Whale said:
Might be enough on this topic now don’t you think?
I agree.
@Austman said:
@Colosus01 said:
@Austman said:Re issue (1), I can’t see anywhere that the SM went ahead and approved the cost of the new antenna. Perhaps Colosus01 can clarify this?
Hi Austman, Just to clarify that last part in your post you are referring to the new antenna from bunning’s that the resident put up?
Hi Colosus01. Yes that’s what I meant. Did the SM approve payment for the antenna?
No She did not. The secretary also showed me via email the mans wife bullied the SM to send out a antenna tech twice after the accident since there newly installed antenna needed to be fine tuned.
@Austman said:Re issue (1), I can’t see anywhere that the SM went ahead and approved the cost of the new antenna. Perhaps Colosus01 can clarify this?
Hi Austman, Just to clarify that last part in your post you are referring to the new antenna from bunning’s that the resident put up?
@JimmyT said:
@Colosus01 said:
As you have recommended the issue is now going to an OC vote despite in our EC meeting the secretary having the majority votes via proxy but the chairman deciding this is BS according to her and causing havoc.How does the secretary have the majority of votes by proxy at an EC meeting? Are you saying that the secretary has proxy votes from other EC members who could not attend, which were allowed by a majority vote at the EC? That is the only way proxies count at an EC meeting. Proxy votes from other owners who are not EC members do not count at EC meetings.
Yes the secretary had the majority of votes of the EC members who could not attend.
Guys i have come back for further advice. So i hope for some more support.
As you have recommended the issue is know going to an OC vote despite in our EC meeting the secretary having the majority votes via proxy but the chairman deciding this is BS according to her and causing havoc.
As kiwipaul and whale have advised the resident in question requires 75% of votes in favor by the OC to get what he wants but the strata manager has stated that is incorrect and its 75% of the votes received only. So in light of this which is actually correct? In a complex of 23 i had assumed the resident required 18 votes in favour.
Lastly as this driveway services two townhouses but the expansion would only benefit one owner the SM has advised the information provided about registering a Special By-Law covering the Owner’s exclusive use of the common property for their driveway, or granting them a “licence” to use the common property is incorrect. Is it safe to say that i am being mislead on her comments?
Thanks for any advice.
Whale just wanted to touch base and seek some feedback.
The secretary has shown me an email in which the strata manager has put through the job of the neighbour who fell whilst replacing the antenna and broke some tiles as an insurance claim. This was done without consulting anyone in the executive committee.
Surely this is illegal? Could she have added another tradesman’s details when she submitted the claim to make it sound legit?
In light of this information could we be legally liable if this claim is sussed out?
@JimmyT said:
@kiwipaul said:
This is correct only the EC members can vote at an EC meeting but owners can participate as observers and can express their point of view.This is partly to avoid EC meetings being hijacked by owners who are prepared to become abusive and intrusive to get their points across.
What you have stated is the exact reason the secretary and i have concerns about this meeting going ahead since this is exactly what happened at the last AGM. Know KP has stated concerns about me preventing owners from attending which is incorrect however my enquiry could have been phrased more clearly which has lead to some confusion.
Jimmy T firstly thank you for re instating the original thread.
I will take the advice from this thread on board but the EC meeting that was planned the SM has advised that owners are allowed to attend this EC but cannot vote. She has since told me it is against the law not to allow them to attend the EC meeting.
Whale said
If you’re in NSW, an E/C Meeting can go ahead provided half of the elected members are in attendance (in your case that’s 3), and any members who cannot attend, irrespective of what position/s they may hold, may with the consent of E/C appoint another owner (incl. another E/C member) to act and vote in their place at the Meeting.
Is there any law covering EC members allowing them to withhold a vote on this particular matter?
Does the SM have the power to authorize this work, if not it should have been approved by the EC by a vote. If the vote took place and their were at least 2 quotes to choose from you don’t have a case. I don’t believe in ever accepting a single quote for any job especially if supplied by the SM, get your own quote to find out if it is competitive.
I should note i joined the EC after this work was done after concerns about how things are run. This work was approved by the EC but the lack of disclosure about her secretary’s company which she runs with her husband is most concerning since it was the most expensive quote.
@Whale said:
Strictly speaking, the resident has changed the Common Property (antenna) with first obtaining the written consent of the Owners Corporation (O/C), and they could be required to restore it to its original (presumably non-operating) state, whereupon the O/C would be required to have it replaced again .All quite silly really – like how much money are we talking about?
It sounds like the O/C only paid for the roof tile repairs, in which case I’d be inclined let sleeping dogs lie.
However as the O/C is held responsible to maintain and repair whatever style / quality of antenna and cabling the resident has installed, your Executive Committee Secretary should instruct the Strata Manager to advise that resident in writing that they’re not to make any further additions or changes to the Common Property, and that whilst for safety reasons any future maintenance and repairs to the newly installed antenna must be arranged by the O/C, that will be at cost to the resident (as its their antenna).
Its a fair call about letting sleeping dogs lie. Buts its hard to accept considering the strata manager simply stated “The roof is common property and it was accidental.” And that she would not forward on the bill.
I will take on board your last paragraph and push for something similar to be placed in writing.
@scotlandx said:
Write the SM a letter, along these lines. (See item 7 below – JT)I wanted to know with the great outline below is the chairperson of the committee able to request this instead of the secretary? I ask this as the chairperson in the past advised me she tried to obtain this information and was rebuffed by the Managing Agent and Managing Director on privacy grounds. I have personally asked the secretary about this after joint the EC and she simply said she does not have the list and does not want to seek it as she does want to leave this strata.
30/03/2012 at 12:09 pm in reply to: Executive Committee Issues Extending Pergola In A Townhouse. #15168Council just refererd me to the bulding code on Australia. The BCA refered me to this link.
Strata said its not common property. Need to confirm this though.
struggler said:
Firstly, have you checked with your local council as to requirements for structures of this type? There may be limitations on the area of a pergola.
Secondly, is this pergola common property? If so do not touch this without permission. You may not only be in breach of council regulations but of strata by laws as well. You would need permission and no doubt an exclusive use clause.
If the structure is not common property, you could put in a submission via the managing agent to the EC/OC (don't give it to them directly – your word against theirs as to whether they received any info). Going via the managing agent leaves a “paper trail” and makes such a request official ie there is a record of it. Leaving for the EC in the letterbox or under the door you have no proof.
Include in your submission any details about council regs (whether complying or non complying development) current square metres, how many square metres the finished pergola will be. Include diagrams, measurements, materials used. Assure EC that only licenced insured tradespeople will be used. Any damage to common property will be rectified (from delivery of materials for example), tradespeople will work within defined hours to limit noise to neighbours. Just include everything and anything.
But whatever you do, don't go ahead and just do it because you haven't heard back either way.
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