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    Q. If 12 owners nominate for membership of the EC  at an AGM and there is an agreed membership of 9, does everybody present have to vote for 9 of the 12 nominees or can a person vote only for 5, say?

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  • #19174
    scotlandx
    Strataguru

      No they don’t have to cast a vote for the maximum number, they can just vote for 5 if they want.  Their “non-votes” would be recorded as “abstain”.

      #27455

      Hi

      Question in relation to this thread.  Myself and one other owner have a fair amount of unit entitlements as a result of our properties.  I am wishing to have a new SC elected at the next AGM.  Can I vote for myself as say, Secretary and use the other owners proxy for the count?  Or does someone need to nominate me? 

      Thanks…

      #27456
      scotlandx
      Strataguru

        You can nominate yourself to be on the Strata Committee.

        Note that the owners have to vote on the number of members of the Committee first (refer below), so assuming there are more nominees than number of positions available, then you can vote in your own right and use the other owner’s proxy to vote as well in respect of that matter, subject to the proxy limitations set out in the Act:

        – if the scheme has 20 lots or less, then in addition to your vote you can only hold and vote one proxy, and you can use the other owner’s proxy

        – if the scheme has more than 20 lots, then you can only hold proxies that are not more than 5% of the total lots.  Note this is calculated by the number of lots, not entitlements.

        For example – if there are 21 to 39 lots, you can hold one proxy 

        40 -59, two proxies

        60 – 79, three proxies

        Office bearers is a separate matter and is determined by the members of the Committee once the Committee is determined.  The OC doesn’t vote on that, the Committee does.

        So in order:

        1. Owners vote on number of members of Committee – you can use the proxy then, if it is 5% or less.

        2. Owners vote on persons to be on the Committee, assuming there are more nominees than positions – you can nominate yourself and vote both your entitlements and the proxy from the other owner.

        3. Vote on appointment of office bearers of the Committee, which is a decision of the Strata Committee, refer section 41 (Schedule 1 is misleading here because it refers to voting for election of office bearers).  You can’t use a proxy at a Strata Committee meeting.

        The unit entitlements of you and the other owner would only be relevant if you called for a poll.  If there is no poll then you would only have two votes.

        #27458
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          @scotlandx said:
          You can’t use a proxy at a Strata Committee meeting.

          And your Unit Entitlements won’t be counted within the committee either

          The unit entitlements of you and the other owner would only be relevant if you called for a poll.  If there is no poll then you would only have two votes.  

          So it is in your interest to call for a poll vote for both the numbers on the committee and the election to it.

          FYI you can’t self-nominate for election to the committee if you are a co-owner and you can’t be nominated by someone who is also standing for election.

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #27460

          Hi

          Thanks for that.  So that would mean that I couldn’t vote for the other owner to have a position and she couldn’t vote for me?  

          I was hoping to cap the positions on the committee to three, with myself and the other owner being two of these three.  We currently have six and we are both two of the six and I was only able to get us on previously by calling a poll vote.  The rest of the committee are rusted on members, with the Secretary being in their role for the last ten years.  I believe it is well overdue for a change.  

          #27463
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            @supersleuth said:
            Thanks for that.  So that would mean that I couldn’t vote for the other owner to have a position and she couldn’t vote for me?  
              

            No, you can vote for each other but not nominate.  If you are a co-owner, you get your other co-owner to nominate you.  If you aren’t a co-owner, just nominate yourself.

            Use your poll votes to limit the numbers – there is a mandatory item on the agenda for every AGM at which you have to decide on the numbers on the committee before you hold the election.

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
            #27464
            scotlandx
            Strataguru

              As outlined above, if you have the unit entitlements which will carry a poll vote your way, you can:

              – set the number of Committee members at three

              – each of you can nominate yourself as a candidate for the Committee (I am assuming you are not co-owners)

              – if there are more nominations than the number of positions available, elect you and the other owner to the Committee.

              If it worked out that the Committee had three members and you and the other owner were on the Committee, then you can determine who the office bearers are, because you have the majority of votes on the Committee (nothing to do with your unit entitlements).

              #27484

              Thanks very much for this.  Greatly appreciated.  I have found out yesterday that the other owner that I wished to form the SC with, is possibly unable to attend the AGM.  It is more beneficial for her to be there or if I have her proxy it wouldn’t matter?  How would this work?

              Thanks

              #27488
              scotlandx
              Strataguru

                If the other owner can’t be there then yes you can use a proxy, and vote at the AGM as outlined above.

                The other owner will need to nominate themselves to be on the Strata Committee, just get them to put that in writing and give it to the Strata Manager before the meeting.  Also they should indicate whether they wish to stand as one of the office bearers which is the subject of a separate vote at the Strata Committee meeting.

                The only problem you will have is that when it comes to the vote for office bearers on the Committee, you can’t use your proxy to vote for them at that meeting, so you may have an issue there.

                #27536
                twosailram
                Flatchatter

                  In NSW the Strata Scheme Regulation 2016 Clause 11 covers Nomination for Officers of the Strata Committee. Sub clause 3 requires written consent from an absent nominee. Subject to prior agreement at the AGM, various forms of electronic voting are permitted . See clause 15.

                  Re the question of proxies at SC meetings, Section 34 of the Strata Scheme management Act 2015 covers Acting members of the Strata Committee. Sub-clause 4 allows a member of the committee to hold an absent members vote and to vote that separately from their own vote, just not called a proxy.

                  #27538
                  scotlandx
                  Strataguru

                    Re voting for an absent member at a Committee meeting – yes that’s right, but it doesn’t apply in this case because neither person has been appointed a member of the Committee at the time.  That is, you can’t appoint someone to act in your place as a member of the Committee, where you aren’t a member of the Committee.  You can only do that once you have been appointed at the annual general meeting.

                    #27650

                    Hi

                    Can I ask in relation to the absent owner & their proxy….does it have to be another owner or can it be anyone? Someone not even connected to the building?

                    #27651
                    Jimmy-T
                    Keymaster

                      @supersleuth said:
                      … in relation to the absent owner & their proxy….does it have to be another owner or can it be anyone? 

                      Does who have to be another owner?  For what?

                      A non-owner can be an owner’s proxy at an AGM provided they are named on the appropriate form (and aren’t precluded for other reasons).  

                      A non-owner can also be nominated for and elected to the committee, whether or not they are a proxy holder.

                      I don’t think a non-owner proxy holder can nominate anyone for election to the committee.

                      However, any owner can nominate someone in writing at any point after the meeting is called and before the election is held so a non-owner proxy could carry the owner’s written nomination with them to the meeting

                      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                      #27653

                      Hi

                      I meant does the person who attends the meeting on behalf of the absent owner need to be another owner in order to be able to act on all motions at the AGM.  I am arranging for the absent owner to get something in writing to say that they wish to join the SC, so hopefully that will cover that off.

                      Thanks… 

                      #27655
                      scotlandx
                      Strataguru

                        No – you can appoint anyone as a proxy to attend and vote at general meetings on your behalf, they don’t have to be an owner.

                        Nomination to be on the SC is a different matter.

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