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    villageidiot
    Flatchatter

      I live in a building of 8 units with 7 different owners, (one owner owns two units). The building was built in the mid 60s and needs urgent repairs done. There are signs of concrete cancer in the balconies (the balcony slabs are starting to split lengthwise horiziontally) which we ALL KNOW WILL ONLY GET WORSE and must be fixed ASAP.

      There are also holes in the roof gutters as well as a need for general building updating/repairs including new windows, new entrance doors and garage doors, painting and preferably rendering to bring the building up to modern standards (it is currently shabby red brick).

      The problem is we don’t have enough owners in the building in favour of getting these repairs and updating done. My understanding is it requires an Ordinary Resolution, ie 50% + 1 of owners to agree which in our building of 8 units means 5  of the 8 owners/units to agree. I obviously want to do it as does the owner who owns two lots which gives us only three votes in favour.

      A Special Levy of 40-50k will be required to pay for the works and this has been proposed, discussed and voted on at our last three AGMS but keeps getting voted down, we can only ever get 3 (and on one occasion 4) votes in favour of doing it. All the owners KNOW OF THE DANGERS of concrete cancer and KNOW how it only ever gets worse but still not enough of them are willing to vote in favour of the resolution to get these things fixed.

      I and the other owner (who owns two) think it is because 4 of the 8 lots are rented out and these owners think they are not going to be able to charge much more rent than they currently are by spending the $40-50K and getting this work done as it is in a high demand area and the rented units get snapped up immediately they come on the rental market anyway.

      What can we do? The building looks very shabby with the concrete cancer, peeling paint, windows that are stiff to open, rattle in the wind and won’t close properly and holes in the gutters yet seemingly the owners who do want to fix all these things can’t with just three votes out of 8.

       

      Edit. We are in NSW.

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    • #75572
      Sir Humphrey
      Strataguru

        If the three units in favour have >50% of the unit entitlements, you might be in luck by demanding a poll vote at a general meeting. Alternatively, if the work is clearly necessary, you could go to the tribunal seeking an order to give effect to the failed motion for the special levy on the grounds that it was unreasonable for the motion to have failed. I assume the NSW legislation has a similar provision to the ACT legislation I am more familiar with that allows the Tribunal to undertake a merits review and, if it thinks it was unreasonable for the motion to have failed, give an order to give effect to the failed motion as if it had passed.

        #75574
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          It’s time your neighbours learned the facts of strata life, one of which is that they have an almost unlimited responsibility to maintain and repair common property.

          Now, they can continue to dig their heels in but you or any owner could toddle along to Fair Trading and NCAT and seek orders requiring the Owners Corporation to fulfil its legal obligations.

          If it gets to NCAT, one serious problem is that the Members have it within their powers to appoint a statutory manager who will take over from the owners and start making decisions which could turn out to be very expensive indeed – and much more so than the current estimates.

          Be clear on this, failure to maintain common property is one of the key factors in NCAT deciding that a strata scheme is seriously dysfunctional and may well trigger the appointment of a statutory manager whether you want one or not.

          Right now the owners have the opportunity to fulfil their obligations in a way that suits the majority, and that could mean, for example, a phased work schedule financed by a special levy or a strata loan (or a combination thereof).  Failure to do anything could very easily result in being ordered to pay for work which is more expensive, on a time schedule that suits no one and where there is no opportunity to negotiate compromises.

          It’s time your neighbours got their heads out of the sand. I’m sure someone will come out and say that they can do what the majority wants – usually a bloke whose cousin once met a lawyer at a barbecue – but they have legally enforceable obligations and if they won’t face up to them, the Tribunal is highly likely to appoint someone who will.

          And if that argument doesn’t convince them, seek mediation at Fair Trading and maybe then they will take you seriously.

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #75573
          Marie123
          Flatchatter

            Hello, I live in a similar block. 10 units – 2 owners who owned 2 units each. We spent 10 years voting no. One owner took the owners to VCAT. We (the owners) were able to call on our insuracne and the insurer paid our legal fees and the legal fees of the other owner. We were told legally we had to repair their unit windows, cracks, doors etc. Which we did at our cost. To avoid others going to VCAT we have now embarked on a full building repair program. If we did this 10 years ago it would’ve been 1/5th of the cost. Crazy. Remind the owners of their legal obligation. If all else fails filing at VCAT costs a few hundered dollars. Good luck!

            #75577
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster

              I assume the NSW legislation has a similar provision

              In NSW  would go for orders under Section 232 (2) while keeping a watchful eye on Section 237:

              232   Orders to settle disputes or rectify complaints

              (2) Failure to exercise a function

              For the purposes of this section, an owners corporation, strata committee or building management committee is taken not to have exercised a function if—

              (a)  it decides not to exercise the function, or

              (b)  application is made to it to exercise the function and it fails for 2 months after the making of the application to exercise the function in accordance with the application or to inform the applicant that it has decided not to exercise the function in accordance with the application.

              237   Orders for appointment of strata managing agent

              (1) Order appointing or requiring the appointment of strata managing agent to exercise functions of owners corporation
              The Tribunal may, on its own motion or on application, make an order appointing a person as a strata managing agent or requiring an owners corporation to appoint a person as a strata managing agent—
              (a)  to exercise all the functions of an owners corporation, or
              (b)  to exercise specified functions of an owners corporation, or
              (c)  to exercise all the functions other than specified functions of an owners corporation.
              (2) Order may confer other functions on strata managing agent
              The Tribunal may also, when making an order under this section, order that the strata managing agent is to have and may exercise—

              (a)  all the functions of the chairperson, secretary, treasurer or strata committee of the owners corporation, or
              (b)  specified functions of the chairperson, secretary, treasurer or strata committee of the owners corporation, or
              (c)  all the functions of the chairperson, secretary, treasurer or strata committee of the owners corporation other than specified functions.
              (3) Circumstances in which order may be made The Tribunal may make an order only if satisfied that—
              (a)  the management of a strata scheme the subject of an application for an order under this Act or an appeal to the Tribunal is not functioning or is not functioning satisfactorily, or
              (b)  an owners corporation has failed to comply with a requirement imposed on the owners corporation by an order made under this Act, or
              (c)  an owners corporation has failed to perform one or more of its duties…
              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
              #75591
              villageidiot
              Flatchatter
              Chat-starter

                Thank you for the replies. I should add that myself (Treasurer) and the guy who owns the two units (Secretary) are along with our Strata Manager (a prominent strata managing agent starting with the letter J who is also the Chairperson) make up the entire Strata Committee.  No one else in the building wants anything to do with running it.  We three are the ones who have tried to get the rest of the owners to approve these repairs at the last 3 AGMs to no avail. So we are trying to get the job done and aren’t being negligent.

                1. Can someone please confirm that we do only need an Ordinary Resolution to do this work, (ie 50% +1 or 5 units in our case?) as I have also heard (and read on the internet) that because Common Property is involved a Special Resolution (ie 75% or 6 units in our case) is required instead.

                2. If these repairs were not structural – what could be considered ‘cosmetic’ repairs such as rendering, painting, replacing the windows and garage doors etc, would this require an Ordinary resolution or a Special Resolution?

                #75598
                Jimmy-T
                Keymaster

                  We three are the ones who have tried to get the rest of the owners to approve these repairs at the last 3 AGMs to no avail. So we are trying to get the job done and aren’t being negligent.

                  It’s not a question of proving that you are negligent.  You can go to NCAT and ask them to issue orders overturning decisions not to maintain and repair common property.

                  You would only need super-majorities if you were changing or improving common property, so the 51 percent rule applies.  And don’t forget, as someone has already pointed out, you may already have  a mjority, depending on how your unit entitlements fall.

                  I also heard a whisper the other day that strata committees can act in defiance of the owners corp if they are doing so to fulfil their statutory duties.  Maybe talk to a friendly strata lawyer about that.

                  Or have the “easy way … hard way” chat with your owners. They can agree to do this the easy way – just get it done and pay the bills – or the hard way, fight it at the Tribunal, pay for lawyers and still have to pay to get it done.

                  The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                  #75658
                  Quirky
                  Flatchatter

                    Repairs just requite an ordinary resolution, which is 51% or more of the unit entitlements, while improvements require a special resolution which is a majority for, and less than a quarter voting against.
                    So it can be tricky, if you want to replace existing features with better ones – is that a repair or an improvement?
                    It’s best to get quotes that are specifically for repairs, and even if the new version is better, then they can be considered as repairs. Repairs can be paid from the Administration Fund, while improvements are paid from the Capital Works Fund – if owners are  investors who are renting out the Units, then this will matter too – since these are treated differently as the type of tax deductions they can claim (ie, depreciation over years or an immediate deduction).

                    If you get 2 builders to put together a full repair program with costings and options, and present them at a general meeting, which say that the repairs are urgent and necessary to preserve the building. These are attached to the agenda, so any purchaser will see this in a future sale, from the strata search. So you have an argument that their Units are unsaleable, or sellable at a discount, because the building needs expensive repairs. So the current owners need to get on with it… Or else they end up with Units they cant sell, and which are losing value as the building degrades. If all else fails go to the Tribunal for an Order to carry out the repairs and raise a special levy to do so.

                    #75657
                    TrulEConcerned
                    Flatchatter

                      Hey villageidiot,

                      Speaking as someone who took a do-nothing committee to NCAT seeking a compulsory manager, I offer the following observations:

                      1. Jimmy is right about NCAT focusing on  OCs doing their job ie s. 106 SSMA;

                      2. Jimmy is right about interested owners applying to NCAT for a compulsory manager, when the OC is inattentive to its obligations, s. 237 SSMA:

                      3. In my experience, NCAT’s ordering via s. 237 is rare and not common. I failed to get a compulsory manager and I had a list of failures. Common is for NCAT to direct the OC to do certain works (from the list the applicant provides in his/her statement of claim). The problem here is that there may be quite a lengthy period of time from when your statement of claim hits NCAT’s inbox and NCAT hears your allegations;

                      4. To me, you have two options, given you’re on the strata committee and the “numbers” in the strata are stifling you doing your job:

                      (a) You (in your own right as an owner or a strata committee member) can apply to NCAT (or ask the strata manager to apply in the name of the strata committee) listing what needs to be done; the fact that all members of the strata committee agree they need to be done and that (if it is the case) that you value your strata manager’s contribution to managing these works. If NCAT agrees with your application then it will order the OC do certain tasks, from the list you provide of what needs to be done. The strata committee can then go ahead and do the works in the knowledge that  the go-ahead for these matters  is in the bag; or

                      (b) If you believe the above matter will require repeated appearances at NCAT over time AND you don’t have the time, stamina or interest for such AND if you believe that your strata manager is on board with your views such as what needs to be done and ideally by whom, ask him/her for a quote to compulsory manage your strata via a s. 237 order. Ask for a quote for managing the strata for 1 year. Negotiate if you can with him/her as often agents fleece OCs in such cases. Once you’re happy with the price offered, add the quote to your application to NCAT indicating the many merits of not only compulsory management, by compulsory management by the current strata manager.

                       

                      #75661
                      Jimmy-T
                      Keymaster

                        improvements require a special resolution which is a majority for, and less than a quarter voting against.

                        In NSW these require a majority of votes at a general meeting – but that’s only of those present and voting, not of all owners.  I believe in Victoria, Special Resolutions require a majority of all owners (but there is a provision for interim resolutions which will become permanent if they aren’t challenged withing a month of the vote).

                        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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