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  • #9143
    Millie
    Flatchatter

      Jimmy T has just pointed out something in another forum topic about which I’d completely forgotten.  Honestly, I pick up so many pointers from the Flat Chat website – can’t thank the contributors enough!

      I live in the most wonderful of buildings, zoned ‘Permanent Residential Accommodation Only’, located in a perfect position, the major problem is that we have large-scale short-term letting, organised and protected by our Caretaker and Executive Committee.  And it has been going on for 16 years, in some 40 flats under the Caretaker’s control.

      Sure there’s a quick buck to be made by those engaged in short-term letting. The minimum advertised stay here is ‘one-night’ and wotif gives nightly updates on the occupancy rate, which is excellent.  But here’s my tally of what the real costs are – and I assure you, there are certainly more items that can be added to the list:

      a) A breach of the Environmental Planning and Assessment Act = $1.1 million

      b) For every night the breach continues = $11,000 (x 16 years x 365 nights x 40 apartments)

      c) For every time a ‘lease’ isn’t registered on the Strata Roll = $550 (x goodness knows how many times someone has checked in)

      d) For every time a copy of the by-laws haven’t been issued to those checking in = $100 (ditto above)

      e) Plus additional wear and tear on our building, which the Caretaker says is caused by “Residents’ briefcases” (oh, please…!). And we’ve just spent $0.25 million doing up the building and already there’s damage everywhere

      f) Plus our building insurance is void due to a non-compliant use:

      1) If the building goes up in flames and the insurance is void = $73 odd million lost

      2) Plus if the city block across the lane plus the heritage city property across the next lane go up in flames and the insurance is void = $??? millions…heaven help us!

      3) Plus if there’s loss of life, loss of city infrastructure etc, etc.

      4) The Liability falls on all of us – that’s all of us, every single member of the Owners Corp.  There goes our homes, investments, our super funds, our bank accounts – Strata Lot Owners have unlimited liability.

      Ah, it’s no wonder I can’t sleep at night.

      Strata Reform – HELP!  The issue of short-term letting in Residential Buildings wasn’t addressed this week by the Minister for Fair Trading.

      Those profitting from short-term letting in Residential Buildings, you obviously have the right of an opnion and I look forward to hearing it.

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    • #20078
      kiwipaul
      Flatchatter

        @Stumped said:

        f) Plus our building insurance is void due to a non-compliant use:

        Surely you inform the Insurance company that x units are rented short term and please advise the strata of the increase in premium.

        Then divide the extra ammonst the x units and tell them to pay or stop using short term rentals.

         

        #20080

        This type of situation is rife in large strata blocks with a high proportion of absentee/investor owners throughout the greater Sydney region. It is obviously being permitted by local councils. Very disturbing for individuals who suddenly find that the building in which they have their apartment/home is advertised online as a Hotel. I suspect that the interests of companies who carry out such activities may be protected through their associations with relevant professionals working in the industry. Caretakers play a central role; they are employees of the company and live in an on-site apartment owned by the company, frequently spend most of their time carrying out on site management and care of serviced apartments, perform real estate/letting  activities in the building, and along with others represent the company on the Executive committee (due to the company’s ownership of a small but strategic number of apartments in the building).

         

        #20083
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          @Stumped said:

          I live in the most wonderful of buildings, zoned ‘Permanent Residential Accommodation Only’, located in a perfect position, the major problem is that we have large-scale short-term letting, organised and protected by our Caretaker and Executive Committee.  And it has been going on for 16 years, in some 40 flats under the Caretaker’s control.

          I am curious to know if anyone has explored the option of applying to the CTTT for the statutory appointment of a strata manager who would put an end to all this opportunist profiteering fairly promptly, wouldn’t they?  It costs $78.  It would be neither easy nor straightforward but simpler that trying to defeat fat cats and their cronies using the flimsy structures offered in our strata democracies, I’d have thought.

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #20084
          Millie
          Flatchatter
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            Our Caretaker doesn’t own an apartment – the Owners Corp has given him sole use of a desk in the foyer, from which he runs his short-term letting operations and, might I say, controls our building/our lives. We’re at the 16-year mark of a 20-year agreement with him. 

            There were two attempts at Mediation plus an application with the CTTT.  It’s impossible to put a cost on the time/effort involved in all this, including 1,000-page plus submission which went to the CTTT. 

            The respondents – the Executive Committee/Strata Manager/Caretaker – assured the Adjudicator that the scheme was being ‘properly’ run – the EC Members hold major positions in the ‘day jobs’ so carry lots of street cred.

            The CTTT dismissed all request for orders, including that of the appointment of a compulsory Strata Manager and the removal of the Caretaker.

            Sadly, considering the massive amount of time/effort involved in setting out in the greatest detail our issues with the Strata Scheme, we received not a single ‘nod’ from the CTTT – in fact the Executive Committee is very proud of the fact that our submission was totally dismissed.  For them it’s: ‘business as usual’.

            Simply crushing.

            #20085
            scotlandx
            Strataguru

              Your situation sounds very difficult. 

              Have you approached or considered approaching the Council?

              #20087
              Millie
              Flatchatter
              Chat-starter

                Thanks Scotlandx.  Been there, done that, got no where.  All roads lead back to Council – no one else has the authority to do anything about it.  

                #20108

                I wonder if the Land & Environment Court might be the place to go since we are talking about a breach of DA?

                A stern letter from a lawyer to council pointing out their failure to enforce the zoning & DA condition might also help.

                Perhaps you could gather support from a group of owners and share the costs of engaging a lawyer?

                #20118
                Millie
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  Thanks for your reply Just Get On With It.  You’re correct:  the Land & Environment Court is the Place for it and it is Council’s DA so Council is the one who needs to get on with it, if I may borrow from you.  We prefer to work with Council rather than muscle them.  

                  Here’s an interesting quote, and one of these days I’ll add more to this story:  

                  We will continue to investigate how councils could be mandated to enforce residential planning, zoning or approval to prevent unauthorised short-term commercial letting of accommodation.  The proliferation of illegal serviced apartments is a huge problem…and there remains insufficient scrutiny of this damaging practice.

                  If only the main protagonist in our building who is hunting me in his attempt to sue would read and take note of this.  It’s a funny old world.  The problem of short-term letting is pretty much everywhere.  If/when the day comes and we have this all behind us I’ll write a guidebook so others can zero in on what to do to resolve the issue.

                  Cheers 

                  #20149
                  braveheart
                  Flatchatter

                    Hi Stumped,

                    Yes, from our experience it seems council and LEP is the way to go. We have had an ongoing problem in our strata block for several years with an owner who runs an online short term holiday letting business. Our block is on Sydney’s Lower North Shore and is exclusively zoned residential. We also have a special by-law in place prohibiting any rental for periods of less than six months. This owner repeatedly flouted this and other by-laws. Recently he recruited the owners of another unit who ‘let’ their unit through his agency over the Christmas holidays to a series of overseas holidaymakers. The EC were basically lied to and told that ‘guests’ would be occupying the unit while the owners were away. Our strata manager was reluctant to act, even obstructive, because he feared “legal action” from the perpetrators. The end result is our EC secretary contacted our local council for clarification. They obliged us with a letter to all residents warning of the consequences of breaches against zoning regulations under LEP laws. This seems to have produced the desired effect in the selfish parasites who indulged in this practice. Nevertheless we remain ever vigilant.

                    Cheers

                    #20155
                    Millie
                    Flatchatter
                    Chat-starter

                      Thanks for your response braveheart.  And glad council has acted to help you.  Make certain to keep vigilant and document any breaches so you can give evidence to council.  The penalty is, I believe, $1.1 million for a breach of the EPAA.  We’ve been requesting council’s help/action for 27 months…we wait…and wait… and wait.

                      Have our AGM next week and an owner has sent us a copy of the ‘newsletter’ sent from the EC to all owners except those challenging the legality of short-term letting.  Breif:  we’ve been named/shamed and the ‘newsletter’ (I think it’s an attempt to avoid the tag of proxy farming) is chock full of misleading and/or inaccurate statements.

                      ‘Feel the love’!

                      And good luck

                      #20225
                      Millie
                      Flatchatter
                      Chat-starter

                        We have our AGM tomorrow evening.

                        I feel as nervous as someone on a first date. Will there be beautiful fireworks, or will there be explosions?  Or will I simply be dragged off to the scaffold and…

                        A date anyone?Wink

                        #20704
                        Millie
                        Flatchatter
                        Chat-starter

                          I’m not sure exactly what illegal short-term letting has to do with sustainability?

                          Notice in Sydney’s SMH on Saturday:  “Sustainability Forum – Representatives from Airbnb, the University of Sydney and Garage Sale Trail chat about how the digital era has transformed the potential to share belongings.  Thursday, 7pm, City Recital Hall…Sydney”

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