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    struggler
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      In our townhouse complex we have security screen doors at the front. Many of us have experienced problems with the locks on these screen doors. They can no longer be locked by moving the lever but now need to be locked by a key and therefore unlocked by a key.

      Now I know that an owner is responsible for locks and locking mechanisms. However, the EC have said at the last EGM that they would be looking into getting these screen doors either repainted or replaced. Owners do not want to go to the expense of having the locks replaced if the doors are then replaced. In the meantime we have to option of leaving our screen doors unlocked or not being able to exit the premises without getting the key first. Would I be right in saying this could be a safety hazard in the event of a fire?

      I ask this as I prepare my “case” against the EC with maintenance issues not being addressed. How long should we have to wait to have this matter attended to when other maintenance issues are 6 months and more with no action, no correspondence. In fact an owner asked the EC this week if we had changed to our new SM. “I don’t know” was the reply. So I don’t even know which SM to take these issues to. Notice to our old SM given in March, EGM held in June to agree on new SM. Nothing to owners since. Zilch. What hope do we have of getting anything done around here when the people who are organising are disorganized?

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    • #16182
      kiwipaul
      Flatchatter

        @struggler said:
         

        Now I know that an owner is responsible for locks and locking mechanisms.

        NO the Strata is responsible for the ORIGIONAL door locks, you are responsible for the keys. This even applies to the garage door and ALL it’s opening mechanisms (even electric door openers located well within the lot, strange I know).

         

        #16185
        struggler
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Thanks kp but in my complex it states that “the maintenance of all all individual unit door locks, letterbox locks and garage door locks (except on the case of a genuine break and enter)……be the responsibility of each individual owner”.

          So, as my door lock is my responsibility, and the EC has said they are looking at replacing the screen doors, and given the fact that (a) our EC has not arranged any maintenance in a timely manner and (b) the lock n my screen door lock is not working and I have to lock it with a key, does this constitute a fire hazard for evacuation purposes? And can I use this to get the EC to address this issue? I do not want to pay for a replacement lock then have the door replaced.

          #16187
          FlatChatFan
          Flatchatter

            Struggler, did you replace all your locks when you moved in?

            For safety sake, your life is worth more than the dollars spent to have a locksmith come and replace your lock, repair your lock, or just cut a new key to fit the lock.

            If most residents have the same problems it would save a call out fee if everyone had their locks fixed at the same time.

            We have deadlock doors and keys hanging on hooks close to each screen door, but out of reach if someone cut the screen and just stuck a finger in to flip the lever if it was not locked with a key.

            Insurance is a bit cheaper with deadlocks on windows and doors.

            We also have the screen door key on our key rings.

            If the reason consistency for the EC to change all the screen doors? 

            What happens if someone wants to get a top line security screen, and someone else just wants to keep insects out? Does everyone get the top line door if the EC replaces them all?

            #16189
            struggler
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              Thanks flat chat fan.
              We were looking at either painting or replacing the screen doors because the paint on many of then has come off and it’s starting to look a bit scruffy. Though this doesn’t diminish the function of the screen doors, we have been advised that the life of a screen door is about 12-15 years. At the AGM owners wanted the cheapest possible option, of course, for this problem. So they are looking at painting screen doors first! Then of that doesn’t last they will replace. Which of course would make the whole exercise more expensive, but such is the mentality of many in this complex.

              They are not looking at everyone putting in whatever door they like. At least I hope they don’t. But what I am looking at with this situation is trying to force the EC to do something. The place has never been painted. It’s 13 years old. We have considerable amounts of wood exposed to extremes of weather and we are in a high termite area with termite found in some units already. They organized painting quotes twice but didn’t do anything. The place was cleaned of moss, mildew, mould etc in preparation for painting, that was in 2009! Then with the last EGM EC wanted us to vote for another painting quote that they had yet to obtain. They got the quote, after the EGM, but the painter said that he couldn’t do the work until the wood rot was depaired which I reported in February along with lights that didn’t work – nothing done there.

              I am trying to get action done and maintenance attended to. I am a trying to force the issue and take the OC on under section 62. I am trying to include everything that needs attention and the reasons why. What I have just listed is only a few of the issues that need attention. The EC keeps adding to the list, not doing anything and then carrying over the maintenance until the next AGM. I want to include the matter of the screen door locks as a safety issue and get them to start doing something, and not to think that it is enough for a complex to have an EC that they actually need to take action.

              And as far as getting the neighbours to get their locks done at the same time, forget it! Not in this complex! If I organized a locksmith to do say 6 homes, I could almost guarantee that 4 of them would not be home or not answer their door or forget on the day. They have done it before! Then they would want me to organize it for them again with the same result. Not, it’s each for their own here. I am just tying to get some maintenance action happening before it costs us even more! And I am doing this on my own. I am trying to force the EC’s hand. Ultimately would like the EC disbanded and have someone come in and get this place up to scratch. What hope do we have of getting anything done when there are so many outstanding issues and an EC that sits back and still believes that insurance will cover their lack of action.

              #16198
              Anonymous

                Hi,

                Ask around your complex and try and find some like minded Owners and get yourself on the executive committee and start running the OC as it should be. This will be the less stressful way to proceed. Best of luck.

                @struggler said:

                In our townhouse complex we have security screen doors at the front. Many of us have experienced problems with the locks on these screen doors. They can no longer be locked by moving the lever but now need to be locked by a key and therefore unlocked by a key.

                Now I know that an owner is responsible for locks and locking mechanisms. However, the EC have said at the last EGM that they would be looking into getting these screen doors either repainted or replaced. Owners do not want to go to the expense of having the locks replaced if the doors are then replaced. In the meantime we have to option of leaving our screen doors unlocked or not being able to exit the premises without getting the key first. Would I be right in saying this could be a safety hazard in the event of a fire?

                I ask this as I prepare my “case” against the EC with maintenance issues not being addressed. How long should we have to wait to have this matter attended to when other maintenance issues are 6 months and more with no action, no correspondence. In fact an owner asked the EC this week if we had changed to our new SM. “I don’t know” was the reply. So I don’t even know which SM to take these issues to. Notice to our old SM given in March, EGM held in June to agree on new SM. Nothing to owners since. Zilch. What hope do we have of getting anything done around here when the people who are organising are disorganized?

                #16200
                struggler
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  Thanks Chris but there ade no like minded people here. If there was I would not even contemplate attempting to take action against the EC/OC. I was on the EC. I did get things done, organised work in thr complex. But the others did nothing, thought it was easy. But now I am not on the committee, and they say it is too hard! I don’t want to be on the committee again. This complex is going down hill and everyone el is just walking past the wood rot, and the peeling paint. But they will complain tht no one is dong anything next AGM and the the cycle will start again. Would rather see someone appointed to get things done around here.

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