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    SaltyOne
    Flatchatter

      Does the new proxy limit mean that proxies appointing the Chairman of the Meeting as the proxy holder will be invalid if more than the allowed maximum are held by the chair?

      I can’t see anything in the legislation that excludes the chair from the limit.

      If that’s the case then the procedure our SM is proposing for the upcoming EGM of simply collecting proxies in favour of the chair, and only the chair needing to be present, will not work.

       

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    • #76589
      Sir Humphrey
      Strataguru

        In the ACT, the chair is exempt from the proxy limit. I don’t know about elsewhere.

        If the proposal is to have a ‘paper meeting’, which I would only do for an uncontroversial matter, owners could do an absentee vote (at least in the ACT) rather than appoint a proxy to vote on their behalf. There is no limit on how many absentee votes there can be.

        #76590
        SaltyOne
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          In the ACT, the chair is exempt from the proxy limit.

          I can’t find anything similar in the NSW legislation.

          As far as I know NSW does not have ‘absentee’ voting. We do have electronic voting, which would obviously solve this problem, but the SM has never organised for the appropriate resolution to be put at an AGM, and previous committees have not been proactive in considering how changes to the legislation will affect them.  My list of things the SM has not been doing properly is growing quite long.

          I have an emergency solution to the current problem, if it’s needed.  The Committee will cross-nominate each other. That is, each committee member will be ‘present’ at the meeting by virtue of having submitted a proxy form, and will therefore be eligible to be nominated as a proxy holder for another committee member.  Then we only need two others to do the same thing and we will have a quorum. But I would like to avoid that if possible.

          #76603
          Sir Humphrey
          Strataguru

            When proxy limits were introduced in the ACT, it was quickly followed by an amendment that allowed excess proxies to be transferred to the chair in order to avoid disenfranchising owners who had appointed a proxy while possibly unaware that their intended proxy had too many.

            #76606
            Quirky
            Flatchatter

              Yes, in NSW the chair has no exemptions, and no special functions. Each owner present at the meeting for a NSW strata building can only have the maximum number of proxies used to vote. But if there are 44 lots in the strata plan, and twelve of them assign their proxies to the owner who is (or was – since at the AGM all committee members and offices become vacant) the chair, then he can only vote 2 of them, as well as voting for himself. If he is the only owner at the meeting, then, surprisingly, there is a quorum, which is a quarter of the owners (ie, more than 10) present either in person or by valid proxy. But the chair can only have 3 votes, himself and the maximum permitted number of proxies (5% which is 2 in this example). If he is the only owner actually present, then the agenda items will be passed, as 3 votes for and none against. But if you organise 4 other owners to attend, and they can roll the chair, as their 4 votes will beat the chair’s 3.

              #76624
              SaltyOne
              Flatchatter
              Chat-starter

                Yes, in NSW the chair has no exemptions,

                Thank you.  It seems odd that the NSW legislation wasn’t drafted on the basis of the ACT experience.   It seems we will need to fall back on the emergency solution.  I notice that the sample proxy form posted by Consumer Affairs allows for an alternate proxy to be nominated if the first nominated proxy holder is unable to vote their proxy due to having too many, which is an assumption that I can’t see is supported in the legislation, but likely useful in some cases. Unfortunately it’s no help here.

                Given the process we will need to go through to get this done I will try to get electronic voting added to the agenda for this meeting and kill two birds with one set of proxies.

                 

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