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    Annie
    Flatchatter

      Hi all, interested in your views. 1960’s architect designed mid century apartment block. One owner at the front of the block recently asked the Owners Corporation for permission to change their door and window for the original wood to aluminium. The OC manager did not consult the Owners Committee and gave approval.

      On becoming aware of the impending door/window change following the delivery of the new window, the Owners Committee raised objections and asked for all works to cease while they considered the request. The door/window installation was delayed by one day before the old frames were removed and replaced. The OC manager said that as there was a precedent they could not delay the works.

      There is one other unit that had changed their frames to aluminium however the new frames do not match either the original frames or the other unit. We now have three different types of windows/doors on the front of the building (think sliding vs swing and off centred vs centred) so it all looks a bit of a mess.

      The OC manager admits that they failed to provide the request to the Owners Committee as they should but says the precedent means that there was no other option.

      What can we do? We have asked the OC Manager what they intend to do to resolve the problem but they have been ignoring us.

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    • #69509
      Annie
      Flatchatter
      Chat-starter

        The property is located in Victoria.

        #69512
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          Are you referring to the building facilities manager or the strata managing agent?  Either way, they are incompetent fools, backing up SCA President Julie McLean’s assertion that there are too many untrained and unqualified amateurs passing themselves off as strata managers in Victoria.

          Find out how much it would cost to rectify the situation to your satisfaction and then bill the OC managers accordingly.

          By the way, I doubt if the “precedent” would stand up in a tribunal.  It was a decision the manager was not empowered to make (I’m guessing) so it can’t be used to justify any other decisions.  Might also be worth asking what relationship the manager has with window installers.

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #69517
          Annie
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            Thanks Jimmy. It was the Strata management company (the Strata Manager) who gave approval without consultation, and did not prevent the change when I asked told them Committee approval was required, citing ‘precedent’.

            The strata management company director, in response to our complaint, came back to the Committee yesterday saying the only way forward was to have a special ballot of all owners. The way they proposed to word the postal ballot was misleading and frankly infuriating. The director argues the “owners” rather than the Owners Committee would be required to agree to the facade change and thus a postal ballot is required. That is not my understanding of the legislation (Victorian).

            #69521
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster

              I’m no expert on Victorian law, but if the strata manager says the committee alone can’t make decisions about common property, then the strata manager certainly can’t, regardless of any delegated powers they may hold.

              The strata manager’s boss must know they have screwed up and is now basically ass-covering.  It’s time to tell them who’s boss.  Get your secretary to rewrite the motion the way you want it and instruct the strata manager to send it out, unedited.

              Remember, the owners are in charge – not the strata manager! If the strata manager doesn’t like that, they can take their business elswhere and wait for the bills for fixing this to come in.

              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
              #69522
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                This is what the Act says:

                OWNERS CORPORATIONS ACT 2006 – SECT 47A

                Lot owners must not repair, alter or maintain common property or services

                (1)     This section is subject to section 56 of the Equal Opportunity Act 2010 .

                (2)     A lot owner must not repair, alter or maintain—

                (a)     the common property of the owners corporation; or

                (b)     a service in or relating to a lot that is for the benefit of more than one lot or the common property.

                (3)     Subsection (2) does not apply if a lot owner has been expressly authorised by the owners corporation to carry out the repairs and maintenance in accordance with section 46 or 47 as an agent of the owners corporation.

                Now, unless the strata manager has total control of the scheme through delegated powers, I would say they had no right to authorise the initial “precedent” window replacement or the additional work.

                If I were you, I would write your motion to the owners to include a clause that you seek restitution from the strata manager for permitting the “precedent” work to go ahead, but you might find that too inflammatory.

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #69581
                JulieMcLean
                Strataguru

                  Can I add a different perspective.

                  From the thread we know, whilst the manager has approved the window replacement, it would seem the problem stems from history.

                  “We now have three different types of windows/doors on the front of the building (think sliding vs swing and off centred vs centred) so it all looks a bit of a mess”

                  This says volumes to me.

                  1. The first unit window/door replacement went ahead and nobody – committee or owners did nothing about it. And not just at the time was nothing said but even at the next AGM, because if they had the committee or the owners corporation would have considered  “how do we want windows/door replacements to go in the future” recorded in the minutes This was the time to act and put a design guide in place- not 2023. The owners corporation has by default accepted this standard as it failed to do anything about it.
                  2. A second person has gone ahead and done a renovation and in the absence of any guidelines in place has done what they want as well. Its unknown if they asked permission, but again it would seem that no guidelines were developed after the second renovation. The owners corporation has by default again accepted this standard as it failed to do anything about it.
                  3. Now a third person has followed the others and replaced their windows. They have done the right thing and asked for permission. For some reason, everyone now thinks it should be different for the front unit wanting to replace their windows when the other two units who did the work can keep their windows.

                  I am not sure what outcome you think you are going achieve. At VCAT the following questions will be asked by someone:

                  • Was it reasonable that the front unit installed windows of a style and colour of their choice, based on the renovations that had already taken place and in the absence of any design/style guides?
                  • Was it reasonable for the strata manager to approve on behalf of the owners corporation the request, based on the renovations that had already taken place and in the absence of any design/style guides?

                  If you want this to stop then you need to put in place a design guide to control the type, colour and material of windows for the building, but don’t expect the 3 units to rip out what they put in, but rather include the words upon replacement windows will comply with the following standard. xxx. it will take time but the building will be around for a long time.

                  Develop the design guide, table at AGM and have the owners vote on the matter, if you can get a special resolution, add it to your Rules, then that is  even better.

                  While you are thinking about design guides, you might also think about other areas you would like to have control over. Like blinds, awnings, paint colour, where equipment may be mounted, fly screen door type etc.

                  If you haven’t already got a particular design guide in place when a request or a breach comes for consideration, that is the time to put one in place, not after the horse has bolted.

                  Then your manager can (hopefully) do the right thing.

                  #69790
                  Annie
                  Flatchatter
                  Chat-starter

                    Thanks Julie

                    You have made some assumptions in your response – the three styles of windows/doors are the original (wood), a 2011 unauthorised change (looks the same but metal) and now a completely different looking set of doors/windows (sliding and centred and metal) approved by the Strata manager despite objections by the Committee.

                    The Committee’s expectation would have been that the door/windows be replaced with a similar style to the all the other windows/doors. By giving approval without consulting the Committee and despite the Committee raising objections when the door/window arrived on site.

                    My question was seeking advice about what action we can take, given the change impacts the ascetic of the property, and as you say sets a precedent that means a fee for all. Design guide is interesting and has not been raised by our Strata manager as a solution. Can you explain? Where does that fit in the legislation?

                    What control does an Owners Committee have if the Strata manager can make unilateral decisions unless a manual is created outlining all possible requests and our position? Surely the easier solution would for the Strata Manager to ask the duly nominated and very active Owners Committee for approval?

                    #69797
                    Jimmy-T
                    Keymaster

                      The strata manager should have shown the committee the proposed “third” design.  The committee should ,as Julie suggested, come up with a style guide for future windows and doors.  The strata manager should not be approving work to which the committee objects and the cost of fixing this should be laid squarely at their door.

                      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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