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10/08/2011 at 3:08 pm #7564
Is there anyone in the real world (i.e. not from CTTT) who thinks a large strata plan with one third of owners levy defaulting is a strata plan that is functioning satisfactory?
Can anyone top a 33% default rate?
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13/08/2011 at 8:51 am #13507
I am fortunate that in our small Owners Corp there was only one lot behind on levies, but I have wondered what happens when people will not, or say they can not pay the ongoing levies, and any special levies.
In another post they had an elderly resident who “could not afford” the special levy.
When repairs/renovations are needed, especially with OH&S implications, can it get to a pile of crumbling rubble with no-one able to live in the place at all?
13/08/2011 at 2:37 pm #13508First of all, the Owners Corporation has an absolute legal obligation to maintain and repair common property. If the building was falling down and the Owners were reluctant to raise the money to fix it, all it would take would be one owner to go to the CTTT and ask for the appointment of a statutory manager who would then make these decisions for the owners, whether they liked it or not.
Secondly, unpaid levies attract interest of 10 percent per annum and the costs associated with recovery of levies debts are sheeted back to the owners who are in default.
However, there are circumstances where people simply aren't able to pay special levies and for some the increased equity in their homes is meaningless since they have no intention of selling or refinancing.
If that's the case for a lot of owners, an Owners Corporation would be well advised to look at a specialised strata loan from a company like Lannock (who sponsor this website) which means they can get the work done without having to impose special levies (although this would result in increased levies to pay off the loan).
In the case of the “can't pay, won't pay” owners, you have to just bite the bullet. At least when they are in arrears, owners can't vote at a general meeting – and that means they can't block decisions to get tough with non-payers.
The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
13/08/2011 at 4:43 pm #13509JimmyT said:
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Secondly, unpaid levies attract interest of 10 percent per annum and the costs associated with recovery of levies debts are sheeted back to the owners who are in default.
However, there are circumstances where people simply aren't able to pay special levies and for some the increased equity in their homes is meaningless since they have no intention of selling or refinancing.
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In the case of the “can't pay, won't pay” owners, you have to just bite the bullet. At least when they are in arrears, owners can't vote at a general meeting – and that means they can't block decisions to get tough with non-payers.
One thing about biting the bullet is that an Owners Corporation (OC) can bite it for too long.
The Limitation Act 1969 at s14 seems to place a six year period on what can be claimed, i.e. if an owner has not payed, for example, for 12 years then the OC is only likely to get 6 of those years if they do decide to go after the defaulter.
Some of our 33% of defaulters are long term defaulters, long, long term defaulters. It is money that it is unlikely the OC will be able to recover.13/08/2011 at 6:23 pm #13511By 'biting the bullet” I meant get on with it and take action against defaulters – and deal with the pain that arises from that. Had someone done that in your complex all those years ago, you wouldn't be looking at time limits at all.
The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
14/08/2011 at 8:52 am #13512I believe that either way that you look at 1/3rd of owners being unfinancial isn’t good. Most owners want to keep their levies to a minimum and as such strata budgets are mostly very tight with not a lot of room for late payers. These late payers cause real cash flow problems, especially looking at your Admin Fund.
1/3rd of a million dollar budget is $300k, if a large portion of this is Admin fund levies then it makes things difficult to manage as contractors tend to prefer to be paid on time.
Having a hard and fast levy collection process is essential otherwise before you know it one quarter behind becomes a year behind. Even if you start the process then it will still take time for the process to take effect and get the money from owners. In the worst case scenario an OC can bankrupt a non-paying owner (this is a sad occasion, but if the owner won’t sort out their finances then the OC is left with few options).
Some OC’s have resolved to implement the 10% discount if levies are paid before the due date. To do this responsibly they must budget the amount of the discount being allowed in the year. In effect this is encouraging owners to pay their levies on time, and instantly burdening those that don’t. The only problem with this is the owners that don’t pay attention to the discount and want to argue that they paid it on the due date hence should get the discount.
Per the act, the OC can recover their legal costs for collecting the levies (if they do this correctly).
Owners should be better educated about their responsibility to pay their levies on time, and also many owners have been getting themselves in over their heads, and just can not afford the costs of owning property, many look at reducing the amount of the levies as the solution, this is only going to delay the inevitable. If your budget is stretched you are living beyond your means.
14/08/2011 at 4:02 pm #13516JimmyT said:
By ‘biting the bullet” I meant get on with it and take action against defaulters – and deal with the pain that arises from that. Had someone done that in your complex all those years ago, you wouldn’t be looking at time limits at all.
There have been efforts to “bite the bullet” for about 8 years. No one has had a real good go and there is always pain every time something is attempted.
Last year the AGM passed a motion, unopposed, to place the matter in the hands of an external agent to depersonalize the whole affair and have it dealt with by professionals. It seemed the bullet has been bitten.
Unfortunately the executive committee decided to not go down that path — and I am aware of s 21(4) of the Act relating to the pecking order of decisions. After the EC ignored the AGM motion that matter went to CTTT and the Owners Corporation (the EC who passed on the motion) convinced the adjudicator it had reduced the debt considerably without implementing the AGM motion. The adjudicator thus said there was no need for management to be put in place.
When the 2011 AGM was held, after the adjudication, the real picture was revealed. Levy defaulters were up, the debt had been reduced by less than $2k, there was an $18K deficit in the admin fund and a $8k+ loss of equity.
The financial management of the SP is dubious at best. The biggest disappointment is not the financial management, because these people don’t know what they are supposed to be doing and they do not care to know; the people are predictable. The big disappointment is that CTTT are no help with a long term problem that is not about to miraculously disappear.
14/08/2011 at 4:51 pm #13513At your next AGM there will be a standard motion intructing the EC not to discuss matters that the Owners Corporation don't want to have discussed. This would be an opportunity to shut down the EC's option to decide not to follow the instructions of the OC. But it does seem like your EC is making up the rules as they go along and, yet again, the CTTT decides to enforce neither strata law nor the strata plan's by-laws.
The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
15/08/2011 at 8:27 am #13519JimmyT said:
At your next AGM there will be a standard motion intructing the EC not to discuss matters that the Owners Corporation don't want to have discussed. This would be an opportunity to shut down the EC's option to decide not to follow the instructions of the OC. But it does seem like your EC is making up the rules as they go along and, yet again, the CTTT decides to enforce neither strata law nor the strata plan's by-laws.
Unfortunately we do not have that particular motion even though it appears to be a compulsory motion (required by Sch 2 34(g)).
09/02/2012 at 12:10 am #14689matter went to CTTT and the Owners Corporation (the EC who passed on the motion) convinced the adjudicator it had reduced the debt considerably without implementing the AGM motion. The adjudicator thus said there was no need for management to be put in place.
When the 2011 AGM was held, after the adjudication, the real picture was revealed. Levy defaulters were up, the debt had been reduced by less than $2k, there was an $18K deficit in the admin fund and a $8k+ loss of equity.
The financial management of the SP is dubious at best. The biggest disappointment is not the financial management, because these people don’t know what they are supposed to be doing and they do not care to know; the people are predictable. The big disappointment is that CTTT are no help with a long term problem that is not about to miraculously disappear.
Defaulters up but debts reduced? This is incompetence? Is it possible the most prolific poster does not have a grip and ‘these people’ do, especially as the CTTT seems to be convinced?
11/02/2012 at 1:18 pm #14723FLOWERPOT MAN said:
Defaulters up but debts reduced? This is incompetence? Is it possible the most prolific poster does not have a grip and 'these people' do, especially as the CTTT seems to be convinced?
You are from my SP, yes?
The adjudicator said
“Events have proven the executive committee right. The above mentioned procedures have been adopted with the result that the arrears situation is much improved and it is likely to fully resolve itself in due course by the approach adopted”
Page 6, paragraph 32, of SCS11/19312 by Adj J Smith.
The debt, levies in arrears, when the SCS matter was lodged was $55850 in the most recent audit (2010). The OC convinced the adjudicator that debt situation had been, to quote Adj. Smith, “much improved”. After the decision the 2011 audit showed the debt was down to $54422.
The so called “much improved” debt was a $1428 reduction and hardly due to anything the EC had done. The adjudicator looks like a goose because he says the debt “is likely to resolve itself in due course….”. It will take 38 years to reduce the debt to zero at the rate of $1428 per year.
The Adj says “events have proven the EC right” – how so?
The EC disregarded a consensus passed AGM motion. The SCS case referred to above was not a question of was it the right thing for the EC to do. It was a question of preserving the meaning of s21(4) of the Act. The EC had instructions from the OC and ignored them. What use is the Act if Adjudicators take the liberty of not worrying about it?
A 2.5% debt reduction, which is nothing more than a normal fluctuation, is not a “much improved” situation and a 38 year time frame to resolve the problem is hardly in “due course”. The EC has only been proven to be able to hoodwink CTTT.
Looking at recent EC minutes and the state of the bank balance it seems very likely the debt level will, again, not be much improved this year and in fact it looks possible it might increase, to a record high.
Is the self-management of the SP incompetent; without question it is. Just look at my last levy notice and how i am not charged interest for late payment. The SP is embarrassing enough without people trying to find ways to make the poor management appear competent.
I think there is a lesson here for all Flat-chatters:
Standing up for your friends poor management, when the poor management is to the detriment of the SP as a whole, will not lead to good outcomes.
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