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  • #7512
    HappyNow
    Flatchatter

      Our EC have chosen to impose an additional by-law to our existing by-laws to make it difficult to enter lockable common property areas to which they have given access to their friends (who moved into the new complex of 21 early in the piece) and to which they are endeavouring to make it difficult for access by 2 x apartments in particular who have been denied access or storage in these areas. It reads:

      SPECIAL BY LAW NO 2  Regulation of Keys

      1.  If there is any inconsitency between this by-law and any other by-law in force for the strata scheme, the provisions of this by-law shall preval to the extnt of that inconsistency. 

      2. Goes on with definitions

      3. In addition to the POWERS, AUTHROITIES, DUTIES 7 FUNCTIONS confered or imposed on the Owners Corpoation pursuant to the Act, The Owners Corporation shall have the additional powers, authorities, duties and functions as follows:

      a) The duty to store and regulate keys and

      b) The power to control and manage the locked areas.

      4. An Owner or Occupier wishing to access a Loced Area must make a request in writing to the Secretary of the Executive Committee

      5. To be valid and effective, a request for access to a locked area must include the following information:

      a) The name of the owner or occupier making the request

      b) the Lot number of the owner or occupier making the request

      c) reference to the locked area in question

      d) the purpose of the intended access and

      any other information required in the reasonable opinion of the EC

      6. The EC must consider all reasonable requests for access and must notify the owner or occupier of its decision in writing within fourteen (14) days of receiving such a request

      7. In considering whether to approve a request for access to a locked area, the EC must consider the following things:

      a) safety of person accessing the locked area and

      b) security of the property stored in the locked area

      The above is not an exhaustive list.  The EC may consider other factors when making a decision about a request for access to a  locked area.

      8. When approving a request, the EC may impose conditions on the approval including the following:

      a) a nominated time and date for access

      b) an appointed EC member to accompany the owner or occupier during access to a locked area and

      c) a time limit for access

      The above is not an exhaustive list. The EC may impose other conditions

      9. An owner or occupier must not access or attempt to access a locked area other than as considered by this by-law. 

      This was put together by a firm of property lawyers [name withheld] .

      Personally, I think this give the EC way too much control, it enables those who have personal items stored in these lockable common property areas exclusive use without paying for the privilege and it could mean they can dictate who can access other lockable areas like the games room or pool area.  When is an EC a self serving EC and what do we do to prevent this onerous by-law being introduced. The EGM is tomorrow night (18th July) and they will have the numbers to vote for this as the people voting in favour are the ones who have items stored in these areas. 

      NB: This EGM was the outcome from mediation by Dept Fair Trading to resolve access to lockable common property areas.

      Your input is appreciated

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    • #13286
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        The simplest answer is to get 25 percent of owners to vote against it either in person or by proxy.

        You are certainly entitled to ask the proposers at the meeting to cut through the jargon and explain a) what this really means and b) what the implications are for other areas and the general running of the building.  It sounds like the EC is being empowered to lock off any areas of common property they see fit and that is going way too far.

        You may have left it too late but I would also be proposing an amendment to say that anyone using common property for the storage of private property should pay reasonable rates (ie, a bit less than commercial rates) for doing so. This is common practice in other buildings.

        The worst thing about this is that the EC appears to be asking owners to give it unlimited powers to impose conditions on access to common property as and when it sees fit – and that, I reckon, is legally a bit iffy.

        However, the OC does have the power to establish by-laws limiting access to common property.  The key questions in this case are why and who's benefitting and if it's only benefitting a select few, is that effectively defrauding the majority of owners.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #13292
        HappyNow
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Thank you.  I also wonder if they have considered that they may not always be the same Executive Committee…in which case, this onerous By-Law could come back and bite them, particularly if there is a group of Committee members who are quite nasty and decide that NO persons other than those THEY choose to have access and/or keys will have the right to do this so that the owners currently considered favourably, may one day find themselves on the 'outer' and that this By-Law they have introduced will work against them.  As this is an over 55's complex, as the current Committee get older or sicker then a younger set will take over and then they may very well find that THEY cannot get access to lockable common property areas that they use to have access too….interesting thought and I bet they have not thought that far!!!!

          #13305

          This is essentially an “empowering” by-law. 

          Under section 43 of the Strata Schemes Management Act 1996, by-laws may be made in relation to “the details of any common property of which the use is restricted”. 

          An owners corporation can also include conditions such as the executive committee approval with respect of access. However, you make a reasonable point in stating that the EC members currently on the committee may change therefore shifting this power to any new EC members in the future. 

          If you are going to propose to amend the by-law, you may want to suggest that the Strata Manager be delegated this power to avoid any conflicting interests of EC members. 

           

          Simone Balsara

          Lawyer

           

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          #13314
          HappyNow
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            Thank you Simone however I fear the EC Committee are about to put ‘mates’ of theirs as Strata Managers replacing our current ones so there will never be a fair go for those in the complex not currently in favour.  It seems they are determined to go to any length to ensure that 2 x units do not have their legal rights to anything because they do not like us. They are however, missing the point that one day this may all turn around and bite them – particularly when they are too old and sick to be on the EC anymore.  You did not mention the ‘exclusive use’ of the lockable common property that the favoured ones have as well.  This onerous by-law was actually suppose to address the issue after it was raised at mediation, however they have chosen only to address the issuance of keys. It seems some do not learn their lesson but in their blind hatred, continue to dig a deeper hole for themselves. I can only hope that some other Owners start to see them as we see them and start to question their behaviour.  I live in faith.  If you want the background to the Lockable Common Property Areas – you can view my input under Common Property.  I thank you for your input.  It is most useful and encouraging. Kiss

            #13317
            Billen Ben
            Flatchatter

              Macfadyen said:

              Thank you Simone however I fear the EC Committee are about to put 'mates' of theirs as Strata Managers replacing our current ones so there will never be a fair go for those in the complex not currently in favour. 

              Here is one of the real problems in strata that neither the Act no CTTT will address; the clique running an SP as their little kingdom.

              Is there anything that leads to more dysfunction in an OC than people looking after their mates while treating with disdain those not in favour.
              Flat Chat is littered with account after account of people not “in” being treated as lepers; stories of those “in” having their nests feathered at the expense of others.

              I often state to CTTT that this sort of behavior is dysfunctional management but I would say the practice has become so common place and wide spread it is now an elephant in the room.

              #13319
              HappyNow
              Flatchatter
              Chat-starter

                Thanks Ben for understanding…that is exactly what we have here – a dysfunctional EC who were the first to take ownership of their apartments and move into the complex doing whatever they liked as the builder had gone into liquidation.  They ensured they got themselves elected to the EC prior to anyone else moving in and have managed to convince others moving in after them that they are the only experienced people able to manage it and who have their best interests at heart. 

                The poor devils who are not thinking for themselves are just being led along by the nose with a few little ‘favours’ thrown in as and when needed.  It is so sad to see that people do not think for themselves or stand up for their rights.  It is only that 2 apartments realised what was going on early in the piece and recognised the intimidation, victimisation and harrassment for what it was….bullying tactics. 

                We have since stood up for ourselves and be heard and we will continue in that vein until these rude people are too old or sick to carry on (they are all older than us) so one way or another we will win out.  We will also test the CTTT to see if they can put some ‘teeth’ into the matter and force a change.  We just want equity for the property we bought into and our just rights to access and to be treated fairly and that there is transparency to all. 

                The weak and the frail or those who dont care will one day find themselves or their families disadvantaged by these bullies and when they find that the lockable common property that they have a right to, has been annexed by default to the EC member apartments and therefore increased the value of their apartments, perhaps then they will understand our fight for justice.  In the meantime, we continue the battle and hope that as some sell and newcomers move in, that they will understand immediately what is taking place and make change and the tide will turn.

                There is nothing in the world like two determined people who want change to make it happen. Thanks again

                #13345
                AdrianAce
                Flatchatter

                  You have 3 options in response to this bylaw:-

                  1 get support from enough co owners in your building to repeal the bylaw

                  2 apply for approval to use the locked areas and if approval is denied go to the cttt to have the ec decision to withhold approval overturned on the basis that it is unreasonable

                  3 go to the cttt to have the bylaw overturned on the basis that it is illegal or beyond the power of the owners corp or should not have been made

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