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    swoo
    Flatchatter

      The Executrix of a unit in our building (of 12) has leased the Unit before Grant of Probate (NSW) and has nominated her husband to fill the casual vacancy on the EC. He is a non owner. To nominate someone Under Schdl 3 you must be an owner. However,

      Under Sec 118(3) (3) Notice can be given to vote at a general meeting. “The notice must specify the manner in which the interest arose and be verified by statutory declaration if any of the following applies to the interest:

      (a) the interest is that of the executor or administrator of the estate of a deceased person,

      The Strata Manager is “satisfied” from letters from her lawyers she is the Executrix. However I need to know if probate needs to be granted first so the property is transferred to her name i.e she has “control” of the property  which is still in the deceased name according to The Certificate of Title. Also,can she lease out the unit before probate is granted?

      Seems to be conflicting legal points of view on whether probate need to be granted first. I assume if correct notice is given to vote then she can nominate her husband.

      The EC has voted via paper vote and appointed her husband to the EC.

      Should the letters to the Manager be part of the OC records so I can view them or are they “confidential” ? Does the Executrix need to be entered on the Strata Roll before the nomination and what other details should be recorded on the Roll to make her eligible to nominate her husband?

      Sue

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      scotlandx
      Strataguru

        If probate hasn’t been granted, then the owner of the unit is the estate (and the estate may be the owner after probate is granted).  Presuming the appropriate documentation is supplied, I don’t see what the problem is with the estate nominating someone to the EC, but it would have to be the duly appointed representative of the estate.  That is a matter for the strata manager, rather than you.  You could ask the strata manager if they are satisfied that the nomination is in accordance with legal requirements.

        To be honest I don’t think it is any of your business whether or not the unit can be leased.  That is a matter for the executrix.

        #24429
        swoo
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Hi

          Well the answers are very convoluted. Upon further research  I have found:

          1: In order for a relative of a deceased lot owner to participate and vote at a general meeting of owners, the relative would need to be a registered proprietor of the lot or hold the proxy for the executor or executrix pursuant to a Will, where that Will had been proven by virtue of probate.

          Probate has not been granted, there has been no transfer of property in title.

          2:This article about proxy entitlements regarding a deceased estate has been provided by Michael Pobi from Pobi Lawyers.

          I have recently been asked about whether a proxy can attend a general meeting of an owners corporation and vote on motions on behalf of the estate of a deceased lot owner.

          In our view a proxy could vote on behalf of the estate of a deceased lot owner in the following circumstances:

          • If the estate of the deceased lot owner has obtained a grant of probate of a Will which gives the executor of the deceased lot owner’s estate the authority to act on behalf of the deceased lot owner’s estate and the executor gives a proxy to the proxy holder;
          • A member of the family of the deceased lot owner or a relative becomes the registered proprietor of the deceased owner’s lot and gives a proxy to the proxy holder.

          My “business” regarding the renter is limited to the Owners Corporation responsibilities under the SSMA 1996 as it is always about compliance to the ACT.

          Cheers

          #24431
          scotlandx
          Strataguru

            Perhaps I should have been clearer – I said the person has to be the duly appointed representative of the estate.  The strata manager needs to be satisfied that they are the duly appointed representative.  This is usually by grant of probate, unless the estate is under a certain amount (which it would not be here because the property forms part of the estate).  

            In relation to what you should be involved in, what I am saying is that you are entitled to rely on the strata manager in the absence of information to the contrary.  On matters such as the apartment being leased out, if the executor didn’t/doesn’t have the power to deal with the property, that is their problem – it isn’t a breach of the Act.

            i suggest if you are concerned just send a note to the strata manager asking them to confirm that they are satisfied that the executor is the duly appointed representative, and if so on what basis.

            We had a case a few years ago where a person put in a proxy to vote at an AGM.  The proxy was invalid because the relevant property was still in the name of the deceased previous owner, even though probate had been granted.  In that case that was the fault of the estate’s lawyer who should have effected the transfer of the property.

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