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    Bennifer
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      We have a new owner who has decided that he doesn’t like paying high strata fees (who does) but he has decided to arrange an EGM and sack our current management company. Given that the owners present at the AGM set the fee structure and not the SM, its strange that some owners think the high fees are somehow the SM’s fault! The new owner has arranged a small band of owners (who do nothing) to support him because they all like the idea of paying less $$$. The company that he has selected have no website and are not a member of SCA and they are not even from our local area but they have promised the world for less money so that is all these owners care about. I also feel that our admin costs are too high but if there were less issues/problems in the building, we would have less admin costs, so its an issue due to the residents mainly. I have no idea how he found this company although he says it was from a recommendation from someone but it could just as likely be his cousin/relative for all we know! A large number of the owners in this block are uninvolved and have no idea about how much work is done by the EC and the current manager. My questions include- can we write to the owners about the proposed change or do we have to wait for the meeting to discuss our concerns? Is there any way of checking on this new company given that they have no website and I don’t know where to go to find any details about them? Does anyone have any suggestions about what we should be asking/doing/requesting because I am worried that this change will happen to the detriment of my home investment and I am reluctant to continue to work my butt off for a building where everyone else just wants nothing done to save money! Maybe I should just let the place fall down around me and not care like the other owners… PLEASE HELP!

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    • #15399
      FlatChatFan
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        How about you and the current EC door knock every Owner and give them a prepared printed statement of what you have accomplished.

        Many people can not understand a balance sheet but a very simple version of what needs to be paid every quarter could help.

        Also a simple list of obligations e.g. insurance, OH&S legislation, etc. and explain as necessary.

        True, some people only think of their personal costs, but they may need to be helped to understand that they not only ‘own’ the place where they live, but they share ownership with everyone else.

        #15396
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          @Bennifer said:
          We have a new owner who has decided that he doesn’t like paying high strata fees (who does) but he has decided to arrange an EGM and sack our current management company. Given that the owners present at the AGM set the fee structure and not the SM, its strange that some owners think the high fees are somehow the SM’s fault! The new owner has arranged a small band of owners (who do nothing) to support him because they all like the idea of paying less $$$. The company that he has selected have no website and are not a member of SCA and they are not even from our local area but they have promised the world for less money ….

          Yes, you must write to all owners and tell them what a HUGE gamble is being taken with their investments and homes.  I would strongly advise anyone not to buy into a property where the Strata Manager is not a member of SCA, so I certainly think you are asking for trouble by changing to one who isn’t.

          This is a classic “pig-in-a-poke” situation where you are being asked to gamble the biggest investment in your lives on what? A promise? No guarantees, no track record … just a no-name company that will potentially cause you immense grief, hardship and hassles.

          If there are problems, solve the problems – don’t jump into the arms of some unknown and unaccountable business on the say-so of one owner and a few penny-pinching cohorts.

          You are right, the owners have to be told that THEY are the ones who set the levies, not the strata manager.  And how exactly does this new person plan to save money anyway?  Cutting services?  OK, take a few percent off the value of your homes and the rent you can charge tenants.

          Reducing the amount paid into the sinking fund?  Take another few points off (and get ready for the costs of legal challenges when someone realises you aren’t fulfilling your legal obligations).  Maybe you’re going to get cheaper insurance (although this unregistered Strata Manager will certainly be getting a kickback – and you will probably be getting less coverage than you had before.)

          There are two kinds of costs in strata – the ones you can’t legally avoid and the others that you can.  If the latter isn’t excessive – and they can obviously be fixed –  it means the new SMs are planning to either cut services like cleaning or security and/or avoid your legal responsibilities. When potential buyers realise this (as they will through strata searches) they will run to the nearest property where the finances are properly managed, the legal liabilities are met and the Strata Managers are members of the SCA.

          By the way, in other cases I know of where Owners Corps have changed to non-SCA strata managers, by the time they realised they had made a mistake, they had often locked themselves into contracts that had no performance guarantees, no legally enforceable liabilities on the Strata Manager and no way out.

          If these people are so convinced that there are ways of reducing the levies, why don’t they just raise their plan at the next AGM so everyone can see it and vote on it?  Why shoot the messenger by getting rid of the Strata Manager?  Is it because the SM has enforced the rules and they don’t like it?

          It really isn’t that hard to become a member of the SCA – all you have to be is a licensed strata manager.  I’m sure they will have plenty of arguments about why they “choose” not to join. Maybe they are just a small independent (which is another worry if they aren’t based in your area). But, basically, if a strata manager isn’t a member of the SCA, you have to be extremely wary.

          My last piece of advice is that if the other side win and sign a contract you haven’t seen to hire a strata manager you don’t know and who isn’t even a member of the SCA, to make cuts that they can’t explain or justify – you have a out a year in which to sell your apartment before the property values and lifestyle start going down the gurgler.

          Feel free to copy these comments in a letter to your owners – and you need to get that out ASAP to gather the  proxies. Meanwhile, come up with a plan that shows where costs can be cut – and offer that as a choice that the EGM.

          But don’t let the SM take the fall – they can only act as instructed by the Owners … and that means everybody including the CostCutters.

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #15406
          Cosmo
          Flatchatter

            Our units had a similar problem a few years ago, although we are a much smaller complex. One of the things our OC did was to get comparision levys/charges for other stratas.  On that basis we went to the owners.  We presented the owners with a comparision of what 4 other strata were being charged and that way we showed that what we were being charged wasn’t excessive.

             

            Also ask for a copy of the contract this new Strata Manager wants you to sign, as we found that on comparing contracts the prices weren’t that different.  Indeed some of the conditions the new SM wanted us to sign up to were quite constricting. 

            #15418

            Cosmo, I’d be keen to know more about how you obtained the comparison figures if you can provide that information. I’m on an EC in a complex of 26 townhouses – no lifts or pool, but lots of common gatden areas and walkways. We often receive comments about the levies and it would be great to provide some comparative figures for the non-believers!

            #15427
            Cosmo
            Flatchatter

              @sarahs said:
              Cosmo, I’d be keen to know more about how you obtained the comparison figures if you can provide that information. I’m on an EC in a complex of 26 townhouses – no lifts or pool, but lots of common gatden areas and walkways. We often receive comments about the levies and it would be great to provide some comparative figures for the non-believers!

              Sarahs, we just went to some people who we knew were owners of similar sized units and asked. Of the three we asked two were only too happy to let us look at the information that they had been supplied for their meetings. It didn’t really seem a big thing.

              We realised there are differences in levys for reasons and had a look whether the differences be reconciled.  It wasn’t a perfect comparision but enough to shed a bit of light on the matter.

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