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  • #10400
    pmo

      Maintenance of common property (s.62) becomes Section 106 of the new Act. Section 106(5) gives owners the explicit right to seek damages if the owners corporation fails to maintain common property. That principle was originally established in the Supreme Court in Seiwa in 2006, overturned by the ruling in Thoo in 2013, and will shortly be enshrined in law. Quote:

      “106(5) An owner of a lot in a strata scheme may recover from the owners corporation, as damages for breach of statutory duty, any reasonably foreseeable loss suffered by the owner as a result of a contravention of this section by the owners corporation.”

      The failure to maintain common property is generally the fault of the committee. s.225 of the new Act prevents the committee members from being sued personally, unless they act in bad faith. The liability for their negligence falls on the owners corporation.

      Section 138(3)(d) of the current Act prevents NCAT from awarding damages. That provision has been removed from the equivalent section in the new Act which is s.232. That means owners will be able to seek damages via NCAT for loss that they suffer due to breaches of s.106. The new Act is RETROSPECTIVE covering the previous 2 years.

      The most common situation would be where an owner suffers a direct loss, for example if their property is damaged or they lose rent because the owners corporation fails to maintain common property.

      There is another situation that is a much bigger stick hanging over the heads of recalcitrant committees. Say the committee fails to fix a problem and an owner is awarded damages of $150,000, as in the original Seiwa case. That owner is exempt from paying any of the damages or legal fees under section 104 of the new Act (230 of the old Act) meaning all other owners have to pay the damages.

      Each other owner will suffer a loss as a result, namely their share of the $150,000 in damages. That loss results from a contravention of the Act by the owners corporation and is “reasonably foreseeable”. Each owner can therefore seek an NCAT order against the owners corporation under s.106(5) to recover their share of the damages. Once again if they win they will be exempt from paying any of the damages or legal fees under the new s.104.

      In the end the only owners left standing will be the committee members who failed to maintain common property. Being on the committee they can hardly sue the owners corporation for a loss they themselves caused.

      The committee is exempt from liability in general by virtue of the new s.225, assuming they acted in good faith. That does not protect them in this situation however as damages are not being awarded against them directly. They are merely facing increased levies as a result of an owners corporation debt which all other owners have managed to avoid.

      If you are a member of a committee that is currently ignoring its obligations to maintain common property, especially if safety risks or possible damage to a lot owner’s property are involved, then you need to either resign or else address the problems immediately. If you don’t you could shortly be facing some very large expenses. You have been warned!

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    • #24747
      Aitch
      Flatchatter

        I  would appreciate some advice as to when the ‘new Act’ come into effect and what are the transitional arrangements, if any?

        Thanks in anticipation

        #24748
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster


          @PJ
          said:
          I  would appreciate some advice as to when the ‘new Act’ come into effect and what are the transitional arrangements, if any?

          The last time I spoke to the Minister, he said probably about October this year. Apparently strata industry professionals had asked for more time to get all their literature in order and I know there is still some fine tuning going on regarding voting processes and proxies..

          As far as transitional arrangements go, everything that’s in place in a strata scheme (committees, contracts and so on) will remain until that scheme has its first AGM after the Bill becomes law. 

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #24749
          pmo

            @PJ said:
            I  would appreciate some advice as to when the ‘new Act’ come into effect and what are the transitional arrangements, if any?

            Thanks in anticipation

            If by “transitional arrangements” you mean the “savings provisions” that are included with every Act, the new Act basically says that anything that happened under the old Act is deemed to have happened under the new Act.

            To quote Schedule 3, Section 3(1) of the new Act:

            3 General savings
            (1) Any act, matter or thing done or omitted to be done under a provision of the former Act and having any force or effect immediately before the commencement of a provision of this Act that replaces that provision is, on that commencement, taken to have been done or omitted to be done under the provision of this Act.

            #24751
            Whale
            Flatchatter

              A failure by an Owners Corportion (O/C) or its Executive Committee to properly maintain the common property has no effect under the current Act unless under an Order of the NSW Civil & Administrative Tribunal, and consequently I’m inclined to the opinion that the two (2) year “window” within which an O/C may be sued by an Owner for a breach of those responsibilities will commence upon gaxettal of the proposed new Act (2016?).

              Retrosectivity of legislative provisions are uncommon, so save clarification by the drafters of the Bill, I guess we’ll have to wait and see, and hope for an Act that’s free of ambiguities.

              #24752
              pmo

                A failure by the executive committee or owners corporation to maintain common property is a breach of the current Act. It does not just become a breach if an NCAT order is issued. It is also a breach of common law as per multiple Supreme Court rulings.

                Under the new Act any breach of the law that occurred in the previous 2 years is deemed to have occurred under the new Act. Any breach of the law that occurs under the new Act gives rise to a cause of action for damages. A breach that occurs today will therefore entitle an owner to claim for damages the day the new Act comes into force.

                If it wasn’t intended to work that way Section 3 of Schedule 3 of the new Act would not have been included. It would have stated that the provisions of the new Act only apply to breaches that occur after the commencement of the new Act. But they say the exact opposite.

                #24754
                Whale
                Flatchatter

                   …..and what is the force or effect of such a breach under the current Act?

                  I say none save a ruling by the N.C.A.T., and you say otherwise.

                  So I’ll agree to disagree, and hope that the new Act doesn’t see owners and owners corporations in the Supreme Court where the former would have to prove that the latter breached its responsibility to properly maintain common property.

                  #24755
                  RL
                  Flatchatter

                    I would expect that since an owners corporation (O/C) is a separate entity to the owners that comprise it, a loss to the O/C is distinct from a loss to an individual owners – the fact that the O/C no longer has that money to spend on the owner’s building does not mean the individual owner incurred a loss.

                    If I’m wrong, and the cascading damages effect described by pmo could really happen, leaving the executive committee (E/C) members personally holding the can for the entire cost of damages, then bye-bye committee — and good luck getting anyone else in the building to stand for office and put their personal finances at risk as well as all the other sacrifices E/C members make in time and effort….

                    Cheers

                    RL

                    * for clarity, names and acronyms tidied-up by Mod. (1305hrs).

                    #24757
                    Jimmy-T
                    Keymaster

                      @RL said:
                      I would expect that since an owners corporation (O/C) is a separate entity to the owners that comprise it, a loss to the O/C is distinct from a loss to an individual owners – the fact that the O/C no longer has that money to spend on the owner’s building does not mean the individual owner incurred a loss.

                      Sorry – I’m not sure what you mean by the above. I’m also not sure that the Owners Corp is entirely separate from the owners as ownership of a lot means you are part of the Owners Corp whether you want to be or not and you share its responsibilities and liabilities, whehter ot not you voted in favout of them.

                      The committee is another matter entirely and its members are pretty well protected by “good faith” provisions.  However, if a committee was told that there was a problem and decided to do nothing (especially if they didn’t inform the other owners) then they should be made accountable.

                      There are far too many strata committee members who refuse to learn the basics of their role, refuse to take tough decisions or uncomfortable advice and then don’t want to be held accountable when it all goes pear-shaped.

                      But if committee members act responsibly and transparently, they have no need to fear they will be left carrying the can when things go wrong, even if they made the wrong decisions.

                      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                      #24759
                      pmo

                        In the case in our building that I referred to above the committee is not protected as they acted in bad faith. There therefore can be (and will be) sued personally for damages the moment the new Act comes into effect.

                        The owner who had the concrete cancer (Mr X) typically votes against the committee. The only way of describing their actions in depriving him of the use of his lot for 11 months was punishment for daring to oppose them.

                        Work did not even start until 4 months after the problem was reported, during which time he could not re-rent his unit.

                        By way of comparison in 2014 Mr X and I were on the committee and the current clowns were not. One of them had concrete cancer in his bedroom. It was almost exactly the same amount of cancer that Mr X had in his bedroom.

                        It took 32 days from the day the problem was reported to us until the repairs were completed. That included the time to obtain 3 quotes and wait 10 days for the successful tenderer to have staff available to commence work. The owner in question agreed in writing to that initial delay. The actual work took less than a week. That is all documented in letters, emails, quotes and photographs.

                        The current committee did not bother to check if the company they engaged to fix Mr X’s problem was licensed for concrete spalling repairs. They are not.

                        The company employed an 18-year-old labourer off the street to do the actual repairs. He admitted he had never done spalling repairs before. He was supervised by a costs estimator who admitted in writing that he had never done spalling repairs before. Between them they butchered Mr X’s unit.

                        They were given an engineer’s specification for the repairs before they started but did not comply with one single part of it.  Far more material than was necessary was removed. They jackhammered on top of steel bars, forcing the legs of the bar chairs through the ceilings of the lot below. Floor tiles metres away from the repair were smashed and/or scratched. Walls were damaged. When they finished there was a 2mm thick layer of dust on the walls, floors and ceilings of the entire unit and in the foyer outside that they did not clean up. The committee did not check on any of their work during the 3 months the repair were under way. They merrily paid the contractor at the end without disputing the cost of the numerous issues that arose.

                        What should have been a simple and quick repair ended up costing the building over $94,000. Mr X lost $36,000 in rent thanks to the 11 month delay.  

                        To add insult to injury I subsequently discovered that two weeks after the problem was first reported the committee had obtained a quote from a licensed company to do the repairs for $6,000! The committee knew the similar repair in the other owner’s unit in 2014 had cost $16,000. With a ridiculously cheap quote like that there was no reason for them to even obtain additional quotes. They should have given the go-ahead immediately.

                        There could not be a more glaring example of a committee acting in bad faith than this one.

                        Bring on the new Act!

                        #24762
                        Whale
                        Flatchatter

                          pmo – whilst I understand absolutely why you’re so angry with your Executive Committee about how they attended to common property repairs involving your friend Mr X’s unit, because even though I’m sure they’d dispute it, even without knowing all of the relevant facts it seems they acted improperly.

                          It’s unusual for your E/C not to check on the progress of the repairs, but I don’t understand that if the repairs were progressing so slowly and with such obvious poor workmanship why your friend didn’t inspect those works (assumption) and as he would have surely “reasonably foreseen” the loss of rent that would eventuate, and why he didn’t immediately bring matters to the attention of the E/C or immediately lodge an application for mediation together with one for interim orders to have the works suspended.

                          In the absence of such proactive steps by Mr X he would, save the vindictiveness that you suspect, in my opinion have difficulty substantiating that the owners corporation (through its E/C) could have reasonably foreseen the loss that he incurred, and so he would likely not be able to successfully pursue the owners corporation under sect. 106 of the proposed new legislation.

                          As I observed before, as the proposed sect. 106 is an additional as opposed to a replacement provision for one that exists in the current Strata Schemes Management Act, and even with logic excepted where I can’t see how a backdated two (2) window could exist within which owners could seek redress under the proposed section, in my opinion the new provision will apply and the two year (2) window of opportunity commence from the date that the new Act is made law in NSW.

                          I reiterate that I understand your anger and frustration over what appears to be an appalling situation, but this will be my last contribution to the topic primarily because on a historical basis few contributors to this Forum wish to delve too deeply into the legalistic intricacies and interpretations of strata-related issues, and because my head hurts 🙂

                          For your friend’s sake, I hope I’m wrong so that he can at least have his day in the Tribunal.  

                          #24763
                          pmo


                            @Whale
                            said:
                            In the absence of such proactive steps by Mr X he would, save the vindictiveness that you suspect, in my opinion have difficulty substantiating that the owners corporation (through its E/C) could have reasonably foreseen the loss that he incurred, and so he would likely not be able to successfully pursue the owners corporation under sect. 106 of the proposed new legislation.

                            I think the courts would take all of 5 seconds to conclude that even the mental giants on our committee should have been able to “reasonably foresee” that if they took 11 months to fix an owner’s rented lot, when an identical repair in another lot took 32 days, then he would suffer a loss.

                            As for why the owner did not take action earlier, NCAT action takes months. He was losing money by the bucket-load. He just wanted the job finished as fast as possible. He was also worried that if he did take action they would penalise him even further. As it turned out that is exactly what they did.

                            There was also concrete cancer in his kitchen floor. To fix it his kitchen had to be completely demolished. The owners corporation agreed up front to pay him the value of his old kitchen on completion, (as required under s.65(6)) which he could put towards a new kitchen of his choosing.

                            The work was completed in early November. He should therefore have been paid immediately so he could re-install the kitchen and re-rent his unit. When the work finished they had not even obtained a single quote on the value of his old kitchen, which they had had 8 months to do. His kitchen was identical to several others in the building as numerous photos prove so it was a simple exercise, even after the old one had been demolished.

                            They did not pay him until late February, almost 4 months after the repair work was completed. Knowing as they did that his unit had previously been rented for $700pw I think they could “reasonably foresee” that that extra 4 month delay would cost him another $11,000 in lost rent.

                            Before they paid him they made him sign to say that he would not take legal action against the owners corporation. That does not prevent other owners such as me from suing them for the losses we incurred due to the spiteful, vindictive and unlawful actions of the committee.

                            #24778
                            Enough of Strata
                            Flatchatter

                              I Read the exchange with interest in regard EC member liability.

                              I wonder if by changing the act there MIGHT BE an unintended consequence.

                              As I understand it the Committee should comprise a Chairperson, Secretary and Treasurer, (who are Owners / Owner representatives) elected at a GM.

                              It is standard practice in Strata Management agreements that these functions are “delegated” to the Strata Manager, for convenience and a back-up.  Where no Lot owner offers themselves to be a Committee member, and in other circumstances the delegation is operational.

                              Where a delegation is in  place (many / most Strata’s appear to operate in this way) could it be that the Strata Management company would also be considered to be caught under the new provision, and themselves be liable also if maintenance was not performed.

                              I’m sure this might cause a reaction from  Strata Managers if this was the case.

                              Whale: your input would especially be valued on this aspect of the matter.

                              #24780
                              Whale
                              Flatchatter

                                Winston – as I stated before this whole topic makes my head hurt, but as you’ve asked so nicely (Wink) and without me again expressing an opinion on the already discussed application of Sect 106 of the new Act as currently proposed…….

                                To get things in the correct order, in circumstances where nobody is prepared to nominate or be nominated for membership of an E/C and in which circumstances an Adjudicator cannot appoint member/s, then the O/C as “principle manager” is taken to be administering the Plan.    

                                In circumstances such as those, and where there is an elected E/C who as you say “for convenience and a back-up” elects to delegate all permitted functions (e.g. not those that must be decided only by the O/C at a General Meeting) to a Strata Managing Agent with full authority and without limitation, then Sect 28 Cl. 7 of the current Act and Cl. 53 of the current Bill (2015) applies whereby:

                                Any act or thing done or suffered by a strata managing agent while acting in the exercise of a delegation under this section:

                                (a) has the same effect as if it had been done or suffered by the owners corporation, and

                                (b) is taken to have been done or suffered by the owners corporation.

                                In consideration of the above provisions where I see no undesirable consequences for Strata Managing Agents acting properly under delegation, I would expect that their Professional Body will closely examine their proforma Agency Agreement to overcome any undesirable consequences to their membership that may arise from the entirety of the new Act as currently proposed.

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