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    kiwipaul
    Flatchatter

      If you examine the default bylaws you will see that the EC or OC can grant permission for numerous things with just a simple motion (quote the written permission of the owners corporation is in 25% of the bylaws).

      Eg keep a dog, park a car on common property, etc

      This permission is temp and gives the resident no enduring power, and the decision can be revoked by the EC (or OC) whenever it likes, especially if the original motion contains a clause stating that permission can be withdrawn by the EC (or OC) at any time.

      My question is can this permission be applied selectively, I don’t believe it should as it would be discrimination.

      EC granting permission for Sec and chairman to park their 2nd car on common property but issuing NTC to anyone else that does it.

      Denying certain residents permission to keep pets when they ask, but turning a blind eye to those resident who have pets but don’t request permission.

      If you examine the ruling on this the adjudicators DO look at the history of previous actions to see if the Strata is behaving consistently. (easier to examine QLD ruling online as their is 10,000 whereas in NSW their is only 1000)

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      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        As I said on the radio just the other day, there are no strata police going around checking up on who is doing what and whether or not it is illegal. If you have an issue with something, you have to raise a complaint either internally or through the Fair Trading/CTTT system.

        To take the example of the EC office-bearers granting themselves use of the common property for parking.  This would quite reasonably be seen as a “perk” that office-bearers are not strictly entitled to.

        If the by-law says you can’t park on common property, then they are in breach of their by-laws and any owner can seek redress through the CTTT.

        If the by-law says you can’t park on common property without permission, and they have given themselves permission, that’s something you sort out at your next general meeting where you ask the whole building if they are happy for office-bearers to have these perks. 

        Some people might think that the Chair and secretary do enough unpaid work for the building that this perk is entirely justified and leave them to it.  Others might object on principle.

        But there has to be flexibility to allow communities to set their own standards. If an elderly owner, for instance, was visited regularly by a family member and they had to get permission to park somewhere no one else was allowed to, would that be something you would pursue?

        I know of people who reluctantly took a resident to task for consistently leaving their wheelchair in the entrance lobby rather than take it up in the lift to their apartment where it was “in the way”.  The EC was within their rights to ask for it to be moved – but were they morally right?

        In the case of the permission for pets being denied where others have been allowed, the hot button is the word “unreasonable”.  If, for instance,  a tenant who had permission from their landlord was denied approval to have a pet in a building where owners were allowed to have pets, that would be unreasonable and discriminatory.

        I am told that the CTTT in NSW doesn’t use precedent from other cases but does look at established practice in individual buildings. And I believe this has been used to allow owners who have always treated common property as if it was their own – gardens outside ground-floor units, for instance – to continue to do so. 

        But some issues are only problems if someone chooses to make them a problem.  And if a practice is discriminatory, surely it’s better for each  community to set its own standards rather than have some over-bearing catch-all law to cover every eventuality.

          

         

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        #18424
        kiwipaul
        Flatchatter
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          @JimmyT said:

          But there has to be flexibility to allow communities to set their own standards. If an elderly owner, for instance, was visited regularly by a family member and they had to get permission to park somewhere no one else was allowed to, would that be something you would pursue?
           

          I totally agree that you require flexibility, and if you have to bend the rules to comply so be it, my issue is with those who consider common property their property and use it as such without a by your leave.

          We have in the past voted to deny an owner permission to have a dog, now certain residents do not even submit a request they just introduce a dog, leave bins on common property, park on common property and everyone turns a blind eye. Most owners just want a quiet life and don’t want to rock the boat, but ignoring these breaches just means more and more residents loose confidence in the EC and realize that asking permission is pointless as it might be refused but just going ahead and doing it is a much safer bet.

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