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  • #7750
    chicken feet
    Flatchatter

      Hi there, I'm new to the Forum though an avid reader each week in the paper!

      I recently purchased a unit and was dismayed by the neglected state of the letter boxes inside the foyer area of our complex. Being old and made of timber, each appears to have been forced open at some point (probably due to tenants losing keys) and as such, look bad and offer no security for personal mail. Mine has the door hanging off the front and shoved back in the box.

      I am happy to repair it myself or replace the letter box with something more secure. Is this a matter that should be dealt with by the Body Corporate or should I just go ahead and fix it how I want?

      Any advice appreciated.

      Regards,

      chicken feet

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    • #14081
      struggler
      Flatchatter

        Personally, if it were me, I would write to the EC/OC and tell them that I want a secure letter box for my mail.  I would also point out that I may hold them responsible for any mail theft and subsequent repercussions of this.

        If it were only the key, that would be easy.  But if it is the whole structure, and doors are hanging off, that surely is the responsibility of the OC. 

        I believe that in the model bylaws, regarding changing common property, that you did not need permission where it was for safety or security (don't have the bylaws at hand to quote exactly).  I would check whether this would constitute security and safety (identity theft) and, should the OC not be forthcoming with the repairs, I personally would advise that I will be installing a new letterbox.  

        But you have to check!  And you have to advise!  Don't go marching in there and doing work yourself, even if the letterboxes are in a state of disrepair.  Put it all in writing.  Complain.  Draw it to their attention. Follow up!  In the meantime, perhaps you could get a PO box.

        #14082
        Billen Ben
        Flatchatter

          At least you have a letter box. Owners in my large SP have a communal mailbox. It is timber, it has a door with no lock and inside the wooden box there are alphabetized pigeon holes. It has been this way for the best part of 10 years.

          Mail gets to a pigeon hole after being transfers from the single mail box at the entrance of the strata plan (SP). The box at the entrance is the Owners Corporations (OC) box, it has no door, stands at an angle, is rusty, has holes in top and the paint is poor. It does not even have the name, owners corporation, on it anymore because that was on the long gone door.

          The mail contractor just drops everyone's mail in the OC's box and then some kind owner takes it over to the pigeon holes.

          There is no mail security what so ever and mail theft is very common.

          Like many owners, I have a PO Box at the post office that is 20km away but that does not guarantee that from time to time someone sends an item to the street address. PO box cost over $90 this year.

          I find it interesting the OC “could” be held responsible for mail theft and/or the consequences of mail theft. I shall let my EC know; thanks struggler.

          #14086
          struggler
          Flatchatter

            Billen Ben, that is just how I personally would take this matter to the OC/EC in chicken feets case.  If the mail boxes are common property, and they are supposed to be lockable then they should be maintained in that way.  Although locks I would think are the responsibility of the individual owners? the actual structure with doors hanging off hinges I would have thought would be for the OC to maintain/repair.

             Chicken feets mail box is apparently in a structure and locks were initially provided on the mail boxes on the closable doors.  So if this structure was in place initially, and therefore initially providing a secure place for your mail, than I would perhaps suggest to the OC that, due to their lack of attention to this common property, I may hold them responsible for missing mail.  Or they can let me do something about it myself!  

            In your case, as no lockable mail boxes were provided in the first instance, and this accessible system has been there since day dot, don't like your chances of holding them responsible for missing mail.  Rather, you could suggest that a more secure mail box structure be built.  Or stick to the PO Box. 

            Our complex has a lockable secure letterbox structure keep in good condition.  Some residents have lost their keys – their problem.  But the structure is secure and all the letterbox doors are locked (though this does not stop someone from taking the mail sticking out of the letterbox! so not 100%).  Therefore, many residents here have a PO box for the ultimate in mail security.  So even with lock and key, can't be sure these days.

            #14087
            Billen Ben
            Flatchatter

              I guess my point was owners do not have a mailbox because a shared alphabetized slot in a bank of alphabetized slots is not really a persons mailbox. Do you feel the developer should have supplied mailboxes for owners when registered?

              There was an AGM motion to build a frame for a bank of boxes but purchasing the box to go in the frame has been left to the owners, i.e. the OC is not supplying the box.

              Originally the OCs mailbox was the only box and it was located two and a half kilometers from the SP. It was brought down to the front of the SP and then the wooden box with pigeon holes was built.

              thanks for your suggestions

              #14088
              chicken feet
              Flatchatter
              Chat-starter

                Thanks everyone for the advice. Sounds like a letter to the O/C may be the way to go in the first instance. I will keep you posted on what happens.

                chicken feet

                #14089
                Jimmy-T
                Keymaster

                  OK … so where are you going to post the letter? 

                  Seriously, though, you might have a look at your by-laws to see if there's anything in there saying the OC is obliged to maintain a secure environment or anything that mentions security … because secure mail may well come under that.

                  Best of luck with it.

                  The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                  #14091
                  FlatChatFan
                  Flatchatter

                    chicken feet said:

                    I recently purchased a unit and was dismayed by the neglected state of the letter boxes inside the foyer area of our complex …

                    Hi chickenfeet,  when I was viewing properties before purchasing my villa, I was amazed at the state of letterboxes.  Many tiny and with doors hanging off.  I thought like you that if I was going to live in one of those places, I would be asking that the letterboxes were replaced with the larger size.

                    Australia Post website have “approved” dimensions that not only suggest the size but also distance from the ground for individual letterboxes.

                    Fortunately, my Owners Corporation had purchased a set of larger lockable metal letterboxes that sit on our front brick fence, instead of the smaller “in the fence” previous models.  I notice quite a few strata buildings in my suburb have done the same.

                    I had a locksmith change the lock on my letterbox when I was having my other locks changed after settlement.

                    #14092
                    Jimmy-T
                    Keymaster

                      Here's a couple of links to guidelines for the design of letterboxes. The first seems to be a commercial website but they do list the Australian standards for letter boxes.  This page has a link to an Australia Post web page which is no longer active.

                      Instead, to get the latest version from the posties themselves, go here.

                      Needless to say, there's not much in either about strata letterboxes because, well, we don't really exist, do we.

                      JimmyT

                      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                      #14114
                      Boronia
                      Flatchatter

                        The NSW Act requires that the OC “must construct and maintain at or near the street alignment of the parcel a letterbox suitable to receive mail and other documents” and that “the name of the OC is to be clearly shown on the letterbox”.

                         

                        As posties are not supposed to deliver mail beyond the boundary, how does the mail in question get into the foyer boxes?

                        #14117
                        Whale
                        Flatchatter

                          Just a point of clarification (off topic), that provision of the NSW Strata Schemes Management Act (1996) refers ONLY to the Owners Corporation's Letterbox, not to the array of letterboxes for the individual Lots within the Plan.  

                          #14129

                          May I suggest rather than being another problem in your strata scheme, be part of the solution. It has probably been an accumulation over a number of years of owners, occupiers not wanting to get involved that has led to the present state of the letter boxes.

                          Jump on the internet and locate several letter box installers and either email or phone them for a quote. If you email the ec or strata manager the three quotes and a recommendation they will thank you for doing the leg work.

                          I would also suggest that replacing the wooden letter boxes with new aluminum ones shouldn’t require a special resolution as it should be considered simple maintenance of common property.

                          Good Luck, Mr S

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