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    Is the owners corporation liable to pay for loss of rental to a unit owner where building works on common property result in either a tenant vacating the leased unit or the tenant paying a reduced rental? Neither Owners Corporation building insurance or landlord’s insurance makes any provision for loss of rental to the unit owner. 

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  • #18495
    Whale
    Flatchatter

      If the common property works arose from something that’s defined as an “insured event” and that made your Lot uninhabitable, then loss of rent is an optional benefit that’s more often than not taken-up by Owners Corporations (O/C).

      So again check your O/C’s policy because if it includes that cover as an appended “special benefit” your loss would be claimable in those specific circumstances, but otherwise the O/C is not legally liable.

      Your O/C could resolve to make an ex-gratia payment, but then that would be like you making a part-payment to yourself wouldn’t it?

      #18496
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        @Whale said:
        So again check your O/C’s policy because if it includes that cover as an appended “special benefit” your loss would be claimable in those specific circumstances, but otherwise the O/C is not legally liable.

        At the risk of taking on the mighty Whale, I think there’s a subtle difference between the OC being ‘liable” and being covered.  The insurance isn’t likely to cover them if they’re not liable.  However they could be liable but not covered.  All that means is they would have to cover their liability themselves. And I would say they are liable to some extent and unless it’s a very small block, it’s probably worth pursuing.

        However, there is no clear mechanism for this and Rita C would need to make a claim  – send them a bill – in the first place an see where that got her.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #18498
        scotlandx
        Strataguru

          I think one of the first things you have to answer is the link between the works on the common property and the tenant moving out, or having a reduced rent.  You may have works to common property that mean that the lot is uninhabitable, or the amenity of the lot has been reduced to an extent for a period of time.  The works may not affect the amenity of the lot.  So – what are the works, and how do they affect the lot?

          #18500
          Boronia
          Flatchatter

            If you had a stand alone property which you rented out, and similar works were required to it with the same effect on your tenant(s), what would you do? Who would compensate you?

            #18502
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster

              @Boronia said:
              If you had a stand alone property which you rented out, and similar works were required to it with the same effect on your tenant(s), what would you do? Who would compensate you?

              With a stand-alone property, you could choose if the work was going to be done, when it was going to be done, how long it would take and you’d be be the sole beneficiary of the work when it was completed.

              In strata you could have to put up with the disruption of work that might only interfere with your apartment but have no direct benefit to you.

              If your stand-along home owner’s work blocked the driveway of the house next door, would you expect them to suck it up and not complain?  You don’t lose all your rights as an individual just because you buy a strata unit.

              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
              #18506

              The building work arises as a direct result of building defects resulting in water penetration to the dining/lounge area of the top unit of a complex of 5 units. This work, which is covered under home warranty insurance, will almost certainly result in the unit being uninhabitable, as the roof to the area is being replaced. This will result in the relocation of the tenants, for which insurance is provided, and loss of rental as a result. No estimate of time has been made for the completion of the works, but 3 months would not be unreasonable.  

              #18512
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                @Boronia said:
                If you had a stand alone property which you rented out, and similar works were required to it with the same effect on your tenant(s), what would you do? Who would compensate you?

                This forum is about strata.  Nobody shares the benefit of work done on a stand-alone house so why should anyone share the cost? Everybody shares the benefit of work done on common property so why shouldn’t they share the pain.  

                Don’t forget, the owner is also paying for their share of repairs   Why should they also lose thousands of dollars in rent just because their unit is in the wrong part of the building?

                We really need to stop thinking that strata units are the same as houses.  Shared responsibility and shared benefits are the key concepts that hold strata together.  There is absolutely nothing comparable in free-standing houses.

                It’s when you start trying to apply free-standing house ‘rules’ to units that we get into trouble.

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #18513
                Jimmy-T
                Keymaster

                  @Rita C said:
                  This work, which is covered under home warranty insurance … will result in the relocation of the tenants, for which insurance is provided, and loss of rental as a result. 

                  I have just re-read this – am I missing something or is loss of rent covered by this policy and, if so, what’s the question?

                  The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                  #18536

                  The additional comment (which is incomplete) must be read in conjunction with the original question, at the bottom of the page.

                  There is specific provision in the home warranty insurance policy for payment by the insurance company of the cost of alternative accommodation, removal and storage costs, BUT no specific provision in relation to consequential loss of rent, which will result if the tenants are required to vacate the unit or if they remain in occupation at a reduced rental 

                  Rita C

                  #18537
                  Jimmy-T
                  Keymaster

                    @Rita C said:
                    The additional comment (which is incomplete) must be read in conjunction with the original question, at the bottom of the page.

                    There is specific provision in the home warranty insurance policy for payment by the insurance company of the cost of alternative accommodation, removal and storage costs, BUT no specific provision in relation to consequential loss of rent, which will result if the tenants are required to vacate the unit or if they remain in occupation at a reduced rental 

                     

                    OK, I think that’s much clearer.  There is nothing specific in strata law about this that I can see.  I would say your best way forward is to make a claim in as friendly a way as possible that outlines your potential loss and see if the insurance company or the Owners Corp comes to the party.  Regardless of some of the other comments here, I think they should and if they do, then all well and good.

                    If they don’t, you have to look at how much you are going to lose and talk to a lawyer about your chances of winning a claim for compensation in court

                    The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                    #18538
                    Kangaroo
                    Flatchatter

                      Huh?

                      There is no loss of rent.

                      The owner has rented the unit to a tenant.

                      The unit is temporarily uninhabitable and the tenant is provided alternative accomodation paid for by the home warranty insurance policy (so you say).

                      The tenant has to continue paying the rent.

                      The owner suffers no loss.

                      Otherwise, the tenant is living the high life in a luxury hotel without paying anything for accommodation.

                      A couple of other points:

                      1) The OC’s insurance policy usually only provides alternative accommodation for events defined in the policy (eg earthquake, fire, storm, tsunami, etc) and not for defective building work.

                      2) Home warranty insurance usually only provides alternative accommodation for their defined events which are: “loss or damage resulting from a breach of a statutory warranty (e.g. defective work) because of the insolvency, death or disappearance of the builder or where the builder’s licence has been suspended …”.

                      You say you’re covered. I’d suggest you re-read that policy.

                      3) The owner could/should have taken out landlord insurance.

                      4) Roof replacement does not necessarily make the unit uninhabitable. Our block had the entire pitched roof replaced and nobody had to move out.

                      #18559

                      The problem or question posed by RitaC sounded like what i face at present. The tenants moved out (according to managing agent from being pressured by builder). rental loss not covered by landlord protection, and since roof defect is a common property repair, all units in that affected building should be liable equally to compensate the top level affected apartments for rental or personal loss, in addition to just “routine compensation”. 

                      would you suggest that all affect unit owners to have a meeting with strata to deal with this problem? or we each personally seek our legal advice?  

                       

                       

                      #18561
                      Jimmy-T
                      Keymaster

                        I would suggest you meet with each other first, then present your case to the Executive Committee and act together at all times – apart from anything rlse a united force poses a much more serious threat and you can agree to share legal costs, if it comes to that.

                        That said, if you do seek legal advice, make sure it’s from an experienced strata lawyer – not just some solicitor relative of one of your number.  Most non-specialist solicitors don’t know very much at all about strata law.

                        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                        #18564
                        Kangaroo
                        Flatchatter

                          This is an interesting but perplexing question.

                          First, I don’t think Boronia’s comments should be so easily discarded. Legal questions are often resolved (and sometimes justice delivered) by reference to analogous situations.

                          If you owned a free-standing house and this situation arose, you would be faced by two types of cost: the cost of repairs, and the loss of rent while they were undertaken.

                          In strata living, owners have agreed to share the cost of repairs. That’s specified in the Act. If the roof caves in due to old age, then all owners share the cost of repairs, not just the top-floor people. If white ants start eating their way up from the ground, then all owners share the cost of repairs, not just the ground floor people.

                          But the Act is silent (lawyer-speak for “d’oh, we forgot to cover that”) on consequential damages.

                          Consequential damages is a very slippery slope.

                          Loss of rent is an obvious and quantifiable consequential damage.

                          But what if this happened to an owner who was about to depart on a 3-month pre-booked non-refundable round-the-world trip, but they had to stay while sudden urgent common property repairs were effected from inside their unit? Is the OC liable for the cost of their cancelled trip?

                          What if an owner simply had to stay home from work for one day while the outside of their front door was painted? Is the OC liable for the loss of one day’s pay?

                          I assert that the OC is never liable for consequential damages.

                          And my circular argument is: If the OC were liable for consequential damages, then insurers would offer cover for it (another way to make money), but if they don’t offer it, it’s because OCs are not liable.

                          I don’t think the OC should “come to the party” or “offer” to pay for consequential damages at all. Let the owner take them to court to establish liability.

                          The biggest problem with this web site is that the initial question usually only presents the favourable half of one side of the dispute, but sound advice can only be given when all the facts are known.

                          So, let me ask some questions.

                          Rita C

                          Are you the landlord of this top unit in a complex of 5 units?

                          Is this unit the only unit on the top floor?

                          If not, are the other top-floor owners/tenants moving out for the duration of repairs?

                          I know the standard lease requires “habitable” premises.

                          Who declared the unit uninhabitable?

                          Or did the tenant simply prefer to leave to avoid the inconvenience?

                          Have you checked yet whether the home warranty insurance actually covers your situation?

                          Did you understand my previous point that the tenant should not get both free alternative accommodation and relief from rent?

                          Landlord2

                          You used the plural in regard to the top-floor.

                          Are the other top-floor owners/tenants moving out for the duration of repairs?

                          “Defects” has a specific connotation in relation to strata title matters.

                          Are your “defects” the result of original construction?

                          If so, the OC should be pursuing the original builder.

                          What do you actually mean by “roof defect”?

                          #18578

                          Landlord is owner of top floor unit, which occupies the whole of the top floor. Home warranty insurance covers the remedial building work (as a result of water penetration but not yet commenced), and such work will result in the partial removal of the roof to the dining/lounge room area. No estimate of time for the work has yet been provided, but it could be two or three months. The remedial builder is to determine whether the unit is uninhabitable. Home warranty insurance policy provides for alternative accommodation, removal and storage costs. The insurer has expressed the view that loss of rent is not covered by the policy. If it is determined that the unit is not uninhabitable, then the tenant would be entitled to a reduction in rental.

                          Home Building Regulation 2004, Clause 58(1)(k)(ix) provides that the policy MAY exclude a claim for loss of rent, loss of enjoyment, loss of business opportunity, inconvenience and distress, BUT the policy contains no such exclusion clause.

                          There is agreement that the tenant is not entitled to both free accommodation and relief from paying the rent.

                          Rita C 

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