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    Our lovely EC intend to impose a large special levy on the humble owners in our building. We don’t disagree with the purpose of the levy (building repairs) – however there is a significant amount of unallocated money sitting in our current sinking fund.

    Suspect the EC wish to keep these funds for some pet cosmetic projects they are always gabbling about.

    Anyways, I understood that uncommitted funds in both the sinking and admin funds must be taken into account with a special levy only used to make up the shortfall. We live in NSW.

    Searching the SSMA, I can find no reference. Please, can anyone advise?Confused

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  • #18383
    Whale
    Flatchatter

      Clause 76(4) of the NSW Strata Schemes Management Act (1996) is the relevant reference, where it states:

      “(4) If the owners corporation is subsequently faced with other expenses it cannot at once meet from either fund, it must levy on each owner a contribution to the administrative fund, determined at a general meeting of the owners corporation, in order to meet the expenses.”

      #18384
      kiwipaul
      Flatchatter

        The EC cannot impose a special levy without the approval of the OC. A simple majority of the OC opposing the motion to raise a special levy is enough to kill it.

         

        #18404

        @Whale said:
        Clause 76(4) of the NSW Strata Schemes Management Act (1996) is the relevant reference, where it states:

        “(4) If the owners corporation is subsequently faced with other expenses it cannot at once meet from either fund, it must levy on each owner a contribution to the administrative fund, determined at a general meeting of the owners corporation, in order to meet the expenses.”

        Thanks Whale & kiwipaul for your replies. The difficulty here is the EC control over 50% of the building through either passive or non resident owners. So, although our sinking fund is currently quite healthy, the EC don’t want  to use it for low status building work preferring to keep it for as yet unauthorised pet projects (extending the lobby, chintzy artworks, etc).

        That’s the situation we are in –

         

        #18407
        Sir Humphrey
        Strataguru

          I am guessing the ‘low status building works’ are multiple, smaller, routine maintenance items rather than a few major urgently needed repairs. If so, why not get some information about their likely cost and put a proposal to amend the admin budget to have an increased maintenance amount to cover these things. Routine minor maintenance works might be needed pretty much continuously so it is appropriate in my view to have an admin fund amount for maintenance. If there is a strong view held that the sinking fund needs to retain a larger contingency amount than you think necessary beyond the identified matters in your sinking fund plan (your have one?) it might be better to argue about that another day. In the meantime, you might not scare the horses so much with a motion to increase the admin fund budget by a smaller amount to do a list of routine maintenance items. A minor amendment to the admin budget, rather than a whole-sale revamp of the sinking fund plan might be easier to sell and harder to object to. 

          If it is a resolution of a general meeting to authorise spending on those ‘low status items’, then the EC is obliged to act on it. 

          People can get funny about sinking funds. Some want to accumulate but never spend from it. Then, when it is suggested to spend from the sinking fund on an item they don’t approve of, they get a ridiculously inflated quote to do unnecessary works that they claim are urgent (but are not) which would make the item they don’t like unaffordable. I suggest you take the possibly easier route to getting the ‘low status’ items done. You may be surprised that people grumble and moan but are then happy when they see all the minor bits of maintenance actually getting tidied up. Then they get excited and more supportive of actual improvements, not just maintenance.

          #18408
          kiwipaul
          Flatchatter

            @tracer said:

            Thanks Whale & kiwipaul for your replies. The difficulty here is the EC control over 50% of the building through either passive or non resident owners..

             

            I assume you mean the EC control the OC through passive or non resident owners, because the EC CANNOT raise a Special Levy only the OC can do that.

            YOU are legally allowed to access the owners register I would suggest that you send all of these passive voters a letter explaining that the EC is intending to raise an unnecessary special levy of $xxx when their is $xxx in the sinking fund and so would they be prepared to vote against this motion or give you their proxy to vote against this levy (include a proxy form suitably filled in with you as proxy that just requires them to sign and return)

            Don’t inform the EC that you have this proxy until the meeting (you might have to give to the SM 24 hours before for legal reasons) because the newest dated proxy is the one that counts.

            #18410
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster

              Our friends at Lannocks strata finance company recently talked me through why having an accumulated sinking fund is a waste of money. 

              Let’s say you have $10,000 in the sinking fund and you have a job that will cost $10,000. If you sit on that for a year you make, say 4.5 percent on interest but you pay tax on that so you end up with about  $10,300.

              Meanwhile the job cost goes up by, say, by the CPI of 2.5 percent, so it now costs $10,250, but there is also the lost ‘opportunity’ cost – if individual owners had kept that money rather than putting it in the bank, they could have raised at least 4.5% in interest.  That brings the actual cost of sitting on the money for a year up to $700.

              Thus, in those very simple terms, sitting on your sinking fund is costing owners money.

              But there are other less tangible costs.

              Maintaining and improving common property adds the value of everyone’s homes so that’s another opportunity cost.

              Also, even if individual owners didn’t save the money that they weren’t putting into levies, they had the ‘feel good’ factor of spending it.

              And finally, if the work isn’t being done, you don’t get the positive emotional return of seeing the money you have paid being put to good use.

              Now, I may have fudged the figures a bit here and there but it’s quite clear that sitting on a ‘healthy’ sinking fund is a huge waste of money and has no tangible benefit for the strata scheme.

              The buildings are not at their best and unless you have a big sign out the front saying how much you have in your sinking fund, it will not attract potential purchasers.

              The sinking fund is not an emergency fund – it’s a repair and maintenance fund. 

              And if there are emergencies, our friends at Lannocks will step up with loans which they say make more economic sense than sinking funds in the first place.

              It makes all sorts of sense to spend your sinking fund – that’s what it’s there for.

              By the way, in reference to KiwiPaul’s posting below, you have to lodge proxy votes 24 hours before the meeting.

              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
              #18412
              excathedra
              Flatchatter

                “The sinking fund is not an emergency fund – it’s a repair and maintenance fund.”

                Agreed — but the need for repairs can emerge literally overnight, and liquidity can be an asset in such a situation.  I am the recent Chairman and current Treasurer of a scheme with a healthy sinking fund on which we have just had to draw for some unexpected sewerage works.  We know of a pending need for retaining wall repairs and also have a roof membrane on borrowed time.  The statutory review is due this year, and I would rather see a positive conclusion presented to the Owners.

                 

                And if there are emergencies, our friends at Lannocks will step up with loans which they say make more economic sense than sinking funds in the first place.

                 

                Nothing personal, but sn’t there something of a competing interest here?  Loans have to be repaid and, if the EC have sought to make heroes of themselves by keeping levies down to a minimum, there could be a nasty shock at the next AGM as the proverbial chickens come home to roost.

                 

                It makes all sorts of sense to spend your sinking fund – that’s what it’s there for.

                 

                It also makes sense to be sure that you are covered for reasonably forseeable expenditure even if a precise time cannot be put to it.

                 

                #18415
                Cosmo
                Flatchatter

                  Hi excathedra, My interest pricked when you mentioned “The statutory review is due this year,”.  Can I please ask what review are you talking about?  I live in NSW and one of the issues we have as an OC is a review of the common property. 

                   

                  Currently we have none and most owners reject the need for one on the basis that if we get one the inspecting body will perhaps nominate things that don’t really need doing.  I can see their logic, the person/body doing the review to cover their own liability present a long list of things that they say could need doing.  At the moment the OC and owners just use a ‘keep your eyes open and use common sense”.

                   

                  If we do get a professional review and a big list is presented to our OC many of the owners are of the opinion that we would have to get the full list done or void our insurance.

                   

                   

                  #18417
                  Jimmy-T
                  Keymaster

                    @excathedra said:

                    Agreed — but the need for repairs can emerge literally overnight, and liquidity can be an asset in such a situation.  

                    True, and I really understand and accept where you’re coming from, but how much liquidity do you really need?  

                    I was generally referring to buildings where they cover themselves for every possible eventuality and even then don’t spend the money in case something else comes up.  Your situation is quite different where you have a clear idea of what you are going to need to fix in the near future. 

                     

                    Regarding issues like your emergency sewage works, all you need is enough money to get the work started and a line of credit with a lender to pay for it when it’s finished.  It would be well worth talking to someone like Lannocks or Macquarie Bank – both of whom offer strata loans – to find out if that really would be any more expensive than keeping the ‘rainy day’ money in the bank.

                    Loans have to be repaid and, if the EC have sought to make heroes of themselves by keeping levies down to a minimum, there could be a nasty shock at the next AGM as the proverbial chickens come home to roost.

                    The simple answer to that is that there should be no shocks or surprises.  You give owners the choice between putting the money aside or finding it when it’s needed.  If they go for the latter, you explain the costs involved and then put all the agreements in place so you can trigger the loan when required. Note that neither of these scenarios require special levies.

                    It … makes sense to be sure that you are covered for reasonably forseeable expenditure even if a precise time cannot be put to it.

                    Define ‘reasonably foreseeable’. I don’t disagree with your natural caution but I think there’s a balance.  In the unlikely event of anyone ever putting me in charge of the finances of a strata plan, I would have part of the sinking fund for work we KNEW we needed, a small emergency fund for things we didn’t know might occur and a line of credit for unexpected major contingencies.

                    Like the man said, there are things we know, things we know we don’t know and things we don’t know we don’t know.  For the latter two categories of strata repairs, I’d be tempted to spend money on a parachute rather than a safety net.

                     

                     

                    The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                    #18419
                    excathedra
                    Flatchatter

                      To Cosmo:  I was perhaps a little loose in my expression when referring to a “Statutory Review”.  NSW law requires a 10-year plan for a Scheme’s Sinking Fund, with the option of a review at 5 years.  Our last review was mid 2008, and we plan a mid-life review this year. 

                      To Jimmy:  I note your arguments, which have merit.  I’m not a finance expert, but hope to bounce the issues off one or two who do have relevant expertise but don’t make their incomes from lending money.  As before, nothing personal!

                      #18420
                      Jimmy-T
                      Keymaster

                        @excathedra said:

                        To Jimmy:  I note your arguments, which have merit.  I’m not a finance expert, but hope to bounce the issues off one or two who do have relevant expertise but don’t make their incomes from lending money.  As before, nothing personal!

                        No personal offence taken – it’s a tricky area and I’m not an accountant.  

                        Lannocks have been doing great work in Far North Queensland, helping strata owners hit by floods who were uninsured (because of previous floods).  However, I know they are keen to present themselves as a third financial option – alongside prepaid levies and special (emergency) levies – and I think their value compared to special levies is quite clear.

                        The other issue is less obvious without sitting down and punching in their numbers, including interest rates, and comparing the pre-pay with the post-pay columns.  

                        Hopefully Paul Morton of Lannocks will come on board and add his inside knowledge to the discussion.

                        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                        #18454
                        imported_dech
                        Blocked

                             Our OC paid for an estimate of Sinking Fund costs over a ten year period which more or less included anything that could possibly occur.  The first result is a very large sinking fund – nothing predicted has yet occurred about five years into it, the other outcome has been extravagant spending on unnecessary changes which has no doubt been partly owing to the fact that we have so much ready cash.

                          #18455
                          kiwipaul
                          Flatchatter

                            @dech said:
                            The first result is a very large sinking fund – nothing predicted has yet occurred about five years into it, the other outcome has been extravagant spending on unnecessary changes which has no doubt been partly owing to the fact that we have so much ready cash.

                            The sol is simple submit a motion to the next AGM that the sinking fund contribution be suspended until the sinking fund balance reduces to a more reasonable figure. Just requires a simple majority to pass this motion.

                            Also any spending which is not a simple repair or maintenance would be considered an improvement requiring a Special Resolution by the OC to authorize (75% in favor).

                            #18515
                            Jimmy-T
                            Keymaster

                              I promised the Paul Morton of Lannock Strata Finance would provide us with some information about why he thinks strata loans are better than special levies and even, to some extent, Sinking funds.  Here it is.

                              Paul’s main points are:

                              1. Like all forms of funding in strata, sinking funds have advantages and disadvantages – the trouble is, few people stop to think of the disadvantages

                              2. A very important disadvantage is that sinking funds are very expensive, usually more expensive than strata borrowing or having a special levy

                              3. In the example that Jimmy and I worked out, a sinking fund would cost owners between 18% and 20% per year!

                              4. The responsible way to approach funding capital works is to consider the advantages (and disadvantages) of each form of funding as they apply to your particular situation

                              5. The responsible solution is likely to be a mix of all three methods – special levy, borrowing and sinking fund

                              6. Best practice would be to seek to build a sinking fund for 20% of your expected capital works budget and to review your situation annually to check that it’s right for you

                              You can download Paul’s entire paper “Why your sinking fund is costing you money”   HERE. Meanwhile, here’s the rest of the text:

                              The Details

                              Sinking Funds – not as good as we used to think

                              Most people think a sinking fund must be a good thing – it’s cash on deposit that accumulates for the day when you’ll need to do some major works.

                              Unfortunately, not many people understand the disadvantages of a sinking fund, in particular, that it will cost you money.

                              Three ways a sinking fund costs you money

                              There are three ways a sinking fund costs you money – let’s start with the easiest, interest and tax. 

                              Low returns that are taxed

                              The earnings of a sinking fund are limited, usually to bank term deposit rates.  And the interest it earns is taxable, so, whatever rate you are getting for your deposits, take 30% away because that goes to the tax man.  But doesn’t everyone pay tax so that just evens out in the wash?  No, many don’t.  If you are a retiree or on any kind of fixed income, or if your super fund owns your strata investment, or for a host of other reasons, it’s likely that your tax rate is less than 30% or you pay no tax at all, so that sinking fund is starting to cost you compared with what you could do yourself.

                              Inflation

                              Next is the cost of the project.  While you wait to accumulate funds in a sinking fund, the money in the sinking fund is subject to inflation.  And this is not just the Consumer Price Index!  The costs of strata capital works are more likely to rise in line with the Labour and Materials Index.  Also, whilst you are waiting, the scope of the work may increase, thus adding to you costs.  And you may be paying higher maintenance costs in the interim.  (Project inflation won’t apply if the works are going to be done in the future, but if they need to be done now then a sinking fund is a very poor option).

                              There are better things you can do with the money

                              But the most significant cost of a sinking fund is ‘opportunity cost’.  Everyone strata owner should be thinking about what is the next best thing they could do with the money.  If you have credit card debt at the end of a month, then you would be better off with that sinking fund money in your own hands so you can pay off the credit card.  If you have a mortgage, you would be better off taking the money from the sinking fund and putting it against your mortgage. 

                              It’s relatively easy to measure the ‘cost of the lost opportunity’ of not reducing your credit card debt:  that’s about 20%pa for most people.  And the cost to you in leaving money lying dormant in a strata sinking fund when you could have a lower mortgage will be about 5 or 6%pa.  If you have any credit card debt at the end of the month, then the last place you want your money is in a strata sinking fund.

                              However, for some people that cost will be a bit harder to calculate – what’s the cost of not having a holiday?  Or not being able to help your kids?  Or not being able to replace your old car?

                              Summary

                              In summary, a strata sinking fund costs you money in three broad areas.  First is that the returns are limited and are reduced by tax.  Another is that the cost of the project will get bigger all the time you wait.  Most importantly, most owners will have much better places to invest their money – perhaps in reducing credit card debt, perhaps in a mortgage or perhaps in something that is very important but hard to calculate as a percentage.

                              What does this mean in real terms?

                              When Jimmy Thompson and I sat down to work out a few examples, we calculated that a sinking fund would cost a strata owner between 18% and 20% per year! 

                              This should be shocking to most people, as we’ve been seduced by the notion that a sinking fund must be a good thing.  Of course, your property and your situation may be different and that’s why it’s very important to consider the actual costs that apply your particular property and your particular financial circumstances. 

                              At Lannock, we’ve analysed hundreds of buildings.  On average, sinking funds cost owners between 10% and 15% per year.

                              What about a special levy?  The most important part of the cost of a special levy is ‘opportunity cost’, that is, “what’s the next best thing you could do with your money”.  Our analysis has revealed that the average special levy costs an owner between 11% and 13% per year.

                              And the cost of borrowing?  Currently about 10% to 11%pa.

                              Making Responsible Funding Decisions

                              This information has important ramifications for the decisions of owners, executive committees and governments, as well as being important for strata managers.

                              If the sinking fund in your building, like the examples Jimmy and I looked at, will cost owners 18% or 20% per year, what does that mean for people who have the responsibility to manage the finances of a strata corporation?  How do you responsibly manage the financial needs of a strata scheme when one of ways of funding capital works is so expensive for so many owners?

                              Here are the things to consider:

                              1. What are the relative merits, that is, the advantages and disadvantages of each way of funding capital works?
                              2. How do these apply to your particular property and your particular personal situation?
                              3. How do they apply to the owners in your property as a whole?
                              4. Given that each form of funding has advantages and disadvantages, what’s the responsible thing to do in your situation?

                              It’s clear from our analysis that there can never be a one size fits all approach to funding the capital works in your property.  A block of 10 in one area will have different needs to a block of 10 in another area or a block of 100.  And residential will be different to commercial.  And one owner’s needs will be different to the owner next door.

                              As a way to consider this, the following principles are likely to apply:

                              The best form of funding is likely to be a mix of special levy, sinking fund and borrowing.

                              If your goal is to have a low cost of funds, then it’s likely that borrowing will be a significant element in that mix, most likely more than 50%.

                              If there had to be a single solution for all of strata, Lannock would recommend you seek to have a sinking fund at 20% of your future capital budget requirements and each year assess the situation in the light of the facts at the time.  That way you’ve established a culture of properly considering the future, you have some funds in hand to start a project or deal with an emergency, and you have a plan to reconsider the matter on a regular basis to ensure that it’s still relevant.

                              Lannock has analysis tools that can help you do this (including the tool that Jimmy and I worked through) – just call or email.

                               

                              Lannock Strata Finance

                              1300 85 15 85, 02 9357 5371, strata@lannock.com.au

                              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                              #22250

                              Community living requires a fairness test.  Seems fairer that people who live in the building pay for the use and wear and tear of common property, spread over time.  Loans and special levies are in the mix for raising funds, but don’t they kick the can further down the road?  New owners buy and then are faced with unanticipated special levies or loans, while the people who sold their unit after thirty years of low levies, selling their apartment at a premium, and then move on to the next under funded strata plan in a hope to dodge the responsibility of a little lifting over a long period.  Over 85 % of strata plans in Australia are currently under funded, hence s75A of the SSM Act.  I prefer David Bannerman’s interpretation of this section of the act.  Striking levies must be done taking into account the Sinking Fund Plan, in good faith.  This section was added to the act, because all of the buildings constructed in the 60s and 70s are at a precipice of decay, and common property works will be a major feature of the next building boom.  Get prepared OCs and start saving I say.

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