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    Im new here and would appreciate some advice.  Im a member on the E.C. There have been ongoing grievances in complex re parking on common property.  Recently because of some inconsiderate tenants the situation escalated again and I received complaints that the Cttee should really sort this out.. Some E.C. members are not interested, but  after discussion we had a majority to proceed to sort the parking by-law. I spoke to the Strata Manager for some assistance. I felt he was continually throwing hurdles at me with his responses that it has been an ongoing problem and there was an implied attitude that the complainers were the problem. After persisting I was told by him that he had never issued Notices to Comply despite ongoing complaints and that we must provide names photos times etc. He said he did not have a current register of tenants.   

    I suggested he update his register, and that we wanted to put forward a motion for a resolution that where any occupier consistently ignores a polite letter to observe the  by-laws that Notices to Comply will be issued to signal we are serious to ensure harmony within the complex.  I asked him for a “general type” motion that can be used for any and all breaches of parking by-law.. that its not just one resident but on occasion several.   I asked for a general approach not a target towards any one individual in the motion to be put. 

    result: he has sent out to all Owners as required by law, a motion for resolution to issue Notice to Comply re parking on common property to a “named” individual.. I feel that this could have been handled better and more diplomatically and i feel that because of his initial reluctance to assist he has made me part of the problem instead of part of the solution.  E.C. members have to now vote on a paper meeting .. I have a conflict with voting this way towards one individual.. Also I feel he has done this to ensure repeated costs  each time it may be necessary.  Im really annoyed and feel this agent has deliberately handled it badly … 

    Concerns against parking on common property are: the block is on a steep incline.  All units have a garage. parking outside garages and anywhere within complex is on an incline and presents a potential risk of a vehicle running away again. .. there has been one serious incident where a collission occured when an illegally parked vehicle's brakes failed. We have several children in the block as well as several elderly residents.   

    grateful for any feedback.. thank you  

    Confused

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    Whale
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      macpost – your Strata Manager has certainly made things difficult, especially as most Strata Management Agency Agreements delegate the responsibility for issuing Notices to Comply (NTC) to the Strata Manager (SM).

      So there may have been no need for an Executive Committee Meeting, or even if there is no delegation of that authority to the SM, the Agenda need only have been sent to Executive Committee Members, with a copy posted on the Owners Corporation's Notice Board for all and sundry!  

      Nonetheless, a way forward would be to first check the delegations under the terms of that Strata Management Agency Agreement, and if the issue of a NTC is delegated, then cancel the Executive Committee Meeting (ECM) and ask your SM to issue the NTC.

      If there is no delegation, then it's difficult for anything other than a specifically worded Motion at an ECM to authorise the issue of a specifically worded NTC.

      The Meeting could resolve to amend the Motion by substituting the reference to a “named individual” with a reference to “the Occupant of Lot #” ; that's quite acceptable so long as the intent of the original Motion is not altered, and the Minutes of the Meeting record the fact that the Motion was amended.

      Your Owners Corporation may need to review / amend the delegations of its Strata Manager at the next General Meeting, and you will need a Motion on the Agenda to achieve that.

      #14438

      Whale, many thanks for your advice.  I've taken it on board and will post again when there is an outcome. 

      #14462

      Hi… an update on my question re NTC's…. The Strata Manager insisted that a meeting was required.  We went ahead with a “paper” meeting of the Exec Cttee and we apparently got a majority vote to proceed with issuing an NTC to the identified  resident , breaching the parking by-laws… He was sent a letter and the next day the car was OFF the common property…. Problem solved for the time being…. however as he was one of three it looks like we will have to go through this process twice more with our reluctant Strata Manager.. BUT… it has been a positive outcome.. 

      I will follow Whale's advice and put a Motion to the next AGM to sort the delegations in an attempt to establish a proper protocol for the future.. I havent yet got a copy of the delegations… things move slowly in Strata Management it seems … 

      I received thanks from several of the residents for staying with and sorting the problem with Strata which they had been attempting to do with the inept and reluctant Strata Manager for a number of years.. 

      Ive done a little research and it appears that Strata Managers (some) become a little reluctant to pursue these matters if they have to go to the CTTT as the public servants on the Tribunal are allowed to make arbitrary decisions and ignore the By-laws by sometimes ruling in favour of the offenders breaching the By-laws… I think there is maybe a case for lobbying the Minister to have the Tribunals rule in favour of the By-laws!!! The only fair system for everyone to be treated equally and fairly is to uphold the By-Laws… what the hell is going on at these tribunals that they can ignore the By-Laws ?????? 

      #14459
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        Hearings are underway right now about revamping the CTTT (and other tribunals) HERE and into bringing strata law up to speed HERE. Chip in with your suggestions while you have the chance.

        Meanwhile, your EC should be sending a polite notice out to all residents telling them that you have issued an Notice To Comply to one resident about parking on Common Property and others will follow if abuses continue. If the NTC is ignored it could lead to heavy fines and these notices apply to tenants as well as owners. That should save you the hassle of having to have a meeting every time another opportunist rogue parker notices that the space is suddenly free.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #14507

        Hi Jimmy

        I rent a car space close to where I work. There have been notices put up recently regarding the use of visitor car parking spaces (an issue it seems many of us have to try and deal with), quoting that a recent decision at the CTTT ordered costs of $1800.00 against the offending car parker. I've had a look on austlii but cannot seem to locate this. Do you happen to know if it is true, and if so, could you point me to it? I would really like to be able to include some actual decisions where costs are incurred by offenders in a letter from the OC to owners, in an attempt to try and get some action from those (mostly owners and EC members) who continually abuse the visitor spaces. Of course we will include the intention to issue the Notice to Comply, as well as our intention to proceed to the CTT if these are ignored. It would, however, add some weight if we could include some examples of what the financial consequences may be. Or, am I dreaming……..?

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        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          Given that the CTTT can only award costs in the case of mischievous or vexatious applications – and even then are reluctant to do so – I find it unlikely that such an event ever occurred. However, if a matter went to the CTTT and was then appealed at a proper court – like District or Supreme – costs may have been awarded.
          I reckon you’ve got a bit of creative signage going on there. The idea is probably more to deter rogue parkers than inform them of what the real penalties might be. And hey, you can’t be fined for putting up an inaccurate sign.
          My personal favourite is “Warning – cars parked illegally here have been vandalised” although ‘Polite Notice – No Parking’ is frequently misread, especially if the top bit of the t in polite is a bit indistinct.

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #14515

          From my very limited exposure to living in a strata plan .. it seems EXTRAORDINARILY clear to me that the bottom line is: If a matter comes before the CTTT re parking, with photographic and stat dec evidence and it is against By-Laws in place within the SP the public servants on the CTTT should HAVE to rule against the offender!!  I think the law should be changed to double any penalties… with 50% to the Tribunal and 50% to the SP bringing the action… (to make it cost effective to bring actions against offenders)…  

          The CTTT are not there to create their own fiefdoms, they are simply there to maintain the status quo and ADMINISTER the BY-LAWS for Strata Plans… end of story…. 

           

          Its obvious they are not doing their job .. The current system is under review and now requires change.. yes.. BUT seems  to me it has been deconstructed by those in charge ruling against complainants (who want to live in a nice clean and tidy place) trying to simply have the by-laws administered…not changed BUT ADMINISTERED… 

          #15312

          What about the use of common property parking spaces by members of the general public, i.e. who are not residents, lot owners or their visitors, who persistenlty park in common property visitors’ spaces because it is convenient for them, e.g. they are close to public transport &/or their homes? It would appear that an OC has no powers whatsoever to take action against them or even to determine the registerde owner of n offending vehicle.

          #15319
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            @Mike said:
            What about the use of common property parking spaces by members of the general public, i.e. who are not residents, lot owners or their visitors …

            Three words, Mike: pop-up bollards.  Give residents identical keys so that only their genuine visitors can access the spaces.

            Either that or a sign saying “Warning: cars parked here without permission have been vandalised in the recent past. Park illegally at your own risk.”

            Not sure if that’s strictly legal … but it’s fun.

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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