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    Kindly Requesting information re  two motions that have been resolved by the EC at their EC Meetings.

    1. This motion  was resolved by the EC and it conflates two issues into two separate noise complaints that were never ever made nor submitted in my letter to the EC. Both. Total fabricated lies. I have proof of course.

    2. Second motion was resolved in the two parts sections. No reference to these parts were printed on the agenda. Both appear to be an on the floor amendments on the day . Further the latter part of this  motion deprives me of my legally entitled protocol as per in operation within our contract/s .

    I. My request is that no 1. motion must be re-issued in accordance with true facts as stated in my correspondence to the strata.

    2. I want my legally entitled rights to be re-instated as I am paying money for this contractual service.

    What can one do to have these  rescinded and or replaced as  they are  unnecessarily nasty resolved motions? Should  my  requests above  take place at an EC Meeting or at a general meeting?

    Thank you.

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    Sir Humphrey
    Strataguru

      I think you will need to explain the background more clearly to get any advice. For a start, what were the motions?

      #26123

      Thank you kindly.

      Sincere apologies for the incorrect use  of word motion above , Please replace all ” motion” words with “resolution”.

      No 1 resolution above. This was resolved  in response to a letter I sent to the EC. More explanation below.

      No 2 resolution above . Resolved re complaints  made by me re-noise issues, however the resolution by EC deprives me of my full contractual protocol entitlements . more explanation below. 

      Background and facts :

      Re Resolution 1 as printed

      “Correspondence from- – – – –  (Leaf blower and other noise complaints)

      The meeting tabled noise complaints from – – – – – .” RESOLVED that the use of leaf blowers is part of necessary maintenance. It was noted that this maintenance is carried out within council approved hours.”

      ( This resolution 1  was resolved in my absence )

       

      There were never ever any  complaints made by me re any wind blowers and no complaints  re-noise issues in my specifically referred to correspondence here as sent to EC .

      This letter to EC specifically and only dealt  with  the  inaction by the EC  and the negative response I got to my questions at this  EC Meeting re noise.

       The EC proceeded with the  Erroneous and Conflated EC Minutes  and printed the resolution above no 1, totally avoiding  in dealing with the real issues in my correspondence.

       

      Resolution 2 :  as printed:

      RESOLVED that no action will be taken by the owners corporation. Further correspondence should be sent to the strata manager who will forward onto the committee. Action will not be taken between meetings. 

       

      Our Strata’s  front office  is owned and managed by the same parent company that leases and manages the noisy apartment I have  issues with.  

      The same  front office is also in charge of handling the normal  protocol being in operation within  the  strata, meaning this front office  is delegated the job to handle all noise complaints.(as per contract)

      The evidence I was trying to provide at this   EC Meeting was instantly rejected by an EC member(and all) in stating loudly,  “ not particularly” interested in listening to the substantial evidence being submitted here as emitted by these noisy tenants, even when the noise complaints occurred  after hours , along with security reports.

      There is a  possibility of  conflict of interest here, as the parent company owns both businesses. When questioned about the possible conflict of interest via a motion, the EC rejected the my motion at their  EC Meeting?

      Noise complaints re these residents  started some 8 yrs. ago.( due to me being away from home for long period, not anymore)

      Motion 2 above now restricts  me from making any future complaints via our  standard protocol, meaning that I am not allowed to directly complain  to  our front office anymore re this apt noise issues (only).(not forgetting that one parent company owns owns/runs  both businesses ?)

      The EC resolution means I may have to wait up  to three months in the EC handling any future complaint/s re this apt only due to meetings held quarterly.

       As a full subscribe to this contractual protocol in place is this not illegal and unwarranted? Possibly even prejudicial? Where to from here?

      The reasons for this motion, the names of the person that put the amendment forward and the seconder were requested but no positive response has come so far..

      Any  advice and directions  would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

      #26128
      Sir Humphrey
      Strataguru

        There are likely local government regulations about noise. If you are not getting satisfaction from the committee of the owners corporation, you could try local government. They will probably want clear documentation of the types of noise, when and where they occurred and so on. 

        Find out what the local regulations are. If they are being contravened, try the police. If there are then repeated, police-documented, valid noise complaints you would really be building a good case for action that the owners corporation would find harder to ignore. 

        Enlist neighbours. If you are being bothered, perhaps others are too. On the other hand, if none of your neighbours are bothered, consider that you might be expecting too much quiet while living in close proximity to other people. 

        #26125

        thank for your feedback

        #26127
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster


          @selmuni
          said:
          As a full subscribe to this contractual protocol in place is this not illegal and unwarranted? Possibly even prejudicial? Where to from here?

          OK, take a look at the sentence reproduced here.  It doesn’t make any sense. Please try to keep your questions to the point and in simple English (not lawyer-speak).

          Now, from what I can tell, you have asked your building manager to remedy a problem with tenants and they have failed or refused to do so.

          You are now trying to show that they have not addressed the issue properly by ignoring your letters or answering a different question from what you asked.

          Forget claims of conflict of interest or any other conspiracy theories. There are simple remedies available to you under Section 232 of the Act (extract below) whereby the Tribunal can order the Owners Corporation to fulfill duties that it has declined or ignored.

          The Owners Corp can’t choose when it deals with issues – the time limit (two months) is established by law.

          So I suggest you apply for the obligatory mediation on this form and then apply for orders under Section 232 (2)(a) – decision not to exercise a function.

          Have a look at section 232 below.  I suspect that when you go to these managers and tell them that you are taking them to Fair Trading and NCAT seeking orders, they might start listening. 

           

           

          232 Orders to settle disputes or rectify complaints

          (1) Orders relating to complaints and disputes
          The Tribunal may, on application by an interested person, original owner or building manager, make an order to settle a complaint or dispute about any of the following:
          (a) the operation, administration or management of a strata scheme under this Act, 
          (b) an agreement authorised or required to be entered into under this Act,
          (c) an agreement appointing a strata managing agent or a building manager,
          (d) an agreement between the owners corporation and an owner, mortgagee or covenant chargee of a lot in a strata scheme that relates to the scheme or a matter arising under the scheme,
          (e) an exercise of, or failure to exercise, a function conferred or imposed by or under this Act or the by-laws of a strata scheme,
          (f) an exercise of, or failure to exercise, a function conferred or imposed on an owners corporation under any other Act.

          (2) Failure to exercise a function
          For the purposes of this section, an owners corporation, strata committee or building management committee is taken not to have exercised a function if:
          (a) it decides not to exercise the function, or
          (b) application is made to it to exercise the function and it fails for 2 months after the making of the application to exercise the function in accordance with the application or to inform the applicant that it has decided not to exercise the function in accordance with the application.

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #26141

          Very Helpful indeed thanks a lot.

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