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    We live in an old strata which is in desperate need of repair.  We have an external access stairway which is so badly affected by concrete cancer that the inspecting engineer has said it is not to be used until fixed/replaced.  The apartment roof leaks into one of the apartments every time it rains.  We have extensive concrete cancer in other areas of the building.

      What is the actual legislation that supports repairs to common property once it becomes structurally unsound?  Our EC has delayed for 20 years in doing any meaningful maintenance.

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  • #24723
    Jimmy-T
    Keymaster

      Under section 62 of the Act, the Owners Corp has an absolute duty to maintain and repair common property (see below).  There are exclusions but they only apply if the Owners Corp has passed a special resolution to NOT repair the common property AND a decision to do so doesn’t affect the safety or appearance of the property.

      So here’s what you do.  Send a letter to your secretary saying you want to have a meeting to decide on a plan to repair the common property.

      You may, depending on the politics of the building, forewarn them that if they refuse to have the meeting or refuse at the meeting to do anything about the repairs, you will pursue them at NCAT, seeking orders under section 62.

      So basically, this becomes a “hard way or easy way” question.  The hard way is that they fight you at NCAT and lose, then they have to raise the money to fix the common property, or they do the right thing, get repair estimates prepared, raise the money (either by special levies or, preferably to most people, strata loans) and get the work done.

      If owners say they can’t afford it, that’s too bad.  They have been saving money by not putting enough in the sinking fund – now their parsimony has come back to bite them on the collective bum.

      Here’s what section 62 of the Act says – and clearly, this is not optional:

       

      62   What are the duties of an owners corporation to maintain and repair property?

      (1)  An owners corporation must properly maintain and keep in a state of good and serviceable repair the common property and any personal property vested in the owners corporation.

      (2)  An owners corporation must renew or replace any fixtures or fittings comprised in the common property and any personal property vested in the owners corporation.

      (3)  This clause does not apply to a particular item of property if the owners corporation determines by special resolution that:

      (a)  it is inappropriate to maintain, renew, replace or repair the property, and

      (b)  its decision will not affect the safety of any building, structure or common property in the strata scheme or detract from the appearance of any property in the strata scheme.

      Note. The decision of an owners corporation under subsection (3) may be reviewed by an Adjudicator (see section 138).

      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
      #24728
      scotlandx
      Strataguru

        In relation to the external access staircase – given the advice provided by the engineer, the OC needs to take urgent/immediate action to prevent access to that staircase.  If it doesn’t, then the OC is likely to be liable for anything that occurs such as injuries to a person using the staircase, and an insurance company would not pay out on it.  That is a very serious matter as the owners will be personally liable.

        It may be that the staircase is a fire exit in which case a number of issues also flow from that.

        We had similar issues with our external staircase (which fortunately isn’t a fire exit), and we got builders in to block off access.  Blocking off access has the effect of crystallising matters.

        #24739
        Austman
        Flatchatter


          @scotlandx
          said:
          In relation to the external access staircase – given the advice provided by the engineer, the OC needs to take urgent/immediate action to prevent access to that staircase.  If it doesn’t, then the OC is likely to be liable for anything that occurs such as injuries to a person using the staircase, and an insurance company would not pay out on it.  That is a very serious matter as the owners will be personally liable.

          I totally agree with the getting the repairs done.  The OC seriously needs to attend to it.

          I disagree that “the OC is likely to be liable for anything that occurs such as injuries to a person using the staircase, and an insurance company would not pay out on it.” And that “owners will be personally liable”.

          The OC’s compulsory liability insurance is taken out specifically to cover the OC’s legal liability including when the OC is negligent (eg due to lack of maintenance).

          What can happen is that the insurance company will refuse to cover the OC again unless the OC first makes the necessary repairs. 

          And that’s serious too.  The OC must have compulsory liability insurance.

          #24741
          scotlandx
          Strataguru

            I think we will have to disagree on that Austman.  Where an OC is on notice that a part of the common property is dangerous and fails to take steps to prevent injuries or damage, the insurance company may refuse to pay out on any claim arising.

            An act of negligence might be covered, but an act of gross/wilful negligence may not.  I wouldn’t be willing to take that risk.

            #24742
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster

              Once again we are back at this argument of the difference between legal liability and what is covered by insurance.

              I have put in a call to our insurance sponsors CHU to get a definitive answer on this and other insurance issues but in the meantime I am going to agree with Scottie.  

              And I will draw your attention to THIS STORY where an insurer refused to cover a unit block roof that was blown off in a storm (a so-called “act of God”) because the building was defective and the roof was considered not fit for purpose.

              Owners corps and committees are generally covered for accidental negligence, but not willful negligence.  Knowing there is a problem and choosing not to anything about it can invalidate your insurance coverage and, I believe, make the members of the committee and owners corp who chose not to do anything about it PERSONALLY liable for damages if there is an accident.

              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
              #24745
              pmo

                Forget any debate about insurance companies avoiding liability due to airy-fairy concepts of negligence. The situation is black and white and it is set out in sections 21 and 28 of the Insurance Contracts Act 1984.

                Under s.21 of said Act the insured must inform the insurer of any matter that is relevant to its decision to insure the insured and the premium that it charges for such insurance. Quote:

                21(1)  Subject to this Act, an insured has a duty to disclose to the insurer, before the relevant contract of insurance is entered into, every matter that is known to the insured, being a matter that:

                (a)  the insured knows to be a matter relevant to the decision of the insurer whether to accept the risk and, if so, on what terms; or

                (b)  a reasonable person in the circumstances could be expected to know to be a matter so relevant, having regard to factors including, but not limited to:

                (i)  the nature and extent of the insurance cover to be provided under the relevant contract of insurance; and

                (ii)  the class of persons who would ordinarily be expected to apply for insurance cover of that kind.

                A new contract of insurance is entered into every time you renew your insurance. If the problem existed before you last renewed, and you failed to advise the insurer that you were ignoring an obvious public liability risk, then you are in breach if s.21 of the above Act.

                Under s.28 of the Insurance Contracts Act if you fail to comply with s.21 the insurance company can avoid liability. Quote:

                28(1)  This section applies where the person who became the insured under a contract of general insurance upon the contract being entered into:

                (a)  failed to comply with the duty of disclosure; or

                (b)  made a misrepresentation to the insurer before the contract was entered into;

                but does not apply where the insurer would have entered into the contract, for the same premium and on the same terms and conditions, even if the insured had not failed to comply with the duty of disclosure or had not made the misrepresentation before the contract was entered into.

                (2)  If the failure was fraudulent or the misrepresentation was made fraudulently, the insurer may avoid the contract.

                (3)  If the insurer is not entitled to avoid the contract or, being entitled to avoid the contract (whether under subsection (2) or otherwise) has not done so, the liability of the insurer in respect of a claim is reduced to the amount that would place the insurer in a position in which the insurer would have been if the failure had not occurred or the misrepresentation had not been made.

                No insurance company would insure you if they knew you were ignoring a major safety risk. At the very least they would add a clause excluding any claims relating to the staircase. They would have no trouble convincing a judge of that. It is just like when you insure a car with hail damage. They will insure the rest of the car but not that part.

                That means your insurance company can avoid liability in relation to the staircase under s.28(3). They do not have to prove negligence.

                #24772
                Austman
                Flatchatter

                  First, I’d like to re-state that the OC needs to fix the problem. 

                  Second, about the insurance:  Realise that OC Liability Insurance is cover for something that the OC has done wrong.

                  Legally wrong.

                  So the question is about how wrong the OC has to be before the insurance that covers that OC wrong, cuts out. 

                  It’s never going to be a good answer.    It’s always going to be a shade of OC bad.

                  The OC should not have done it in the first place – no argument from me.  But why have insurance for legal liability unless it covers the OC when the OC is …  well … legally liable?  Is there a point to it otherwise?

                  pmo says it’s “black and white” but the law referenced is all about disclosure at the time of taking out a policy or re-newing it. 

                  What happens mid-policy?  Because that’s the issue being discussed here – or at least I thought it was …   If the OC is told that it’s neglecting maintenance on something, does that mean the OC’s liability insurance relating to that something then becomes invalid?

                  I can’t see how individual owners will be held “personally” liable for an OC responsibility.  But I would be interested to know.

                  #24773
                  Jimmy-T
                  Keymaster

                    I just Googled “strata committee liability” and up came this paper from our old friends at Bannerman’s strata lawyers.

                    It’s called Executive Committee Members – How Broad is their Personal Liability? and includes the following: 

                    Executive committee members can also have personal liability in relation to performance of their functions, including:

                    • Approval of renovations to lots.
                    • Entry into or termination of agreements, e.g. caretaker agreements.
                    • Acts in conflict of interest.
                    • Defamation.
                    • Negligence.

                    In some cases, office bearers’ liability cover may be available under the owners corporation’s insurance policy. However, there will typically be exclusions which are generally not well understood, such as:

                    • Dishonest, fraudulent or criminal acts.
                    • Acts in conflict of interest.
                    • Acts outside the scope of the executive committee member’s authority, such as when a decision is made without a requisite general meeting resolution.
                    • Acts causing death, personal injury or damage or loss to any property, unless an exception applies.

                    Now, David Bannerman who co-authored the paper, is one of our top strata lawyers.  So, Austman, unless you have a clear ruling that proves what he says is not true, this aspect of the topic is closed.

                    However, there is a whole other discussion about personal liability of EC members for failure to maintain common property HERE.

                    The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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